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October 03, 2007

Just...Wow.

I already said a bit about this bizarre Jonah Goldberg column at Tapped, but I hadn't yet seen this doozy of a concluding paragraph:

The dirty, embarrassing secret is that this sort of multiculturalism has made Europe a wellspring of Islamic radicalism and terrorism, but America's Muslim community has remained overwhelmingly peaceful. Why? Well, if the answer doesn't lay in President Bush's "outreach" -- and few think it does -- or in Euro-style multicultural condescension, maybe it has something to do with the American "we" that Couric and so many others seem so embarrassed by.

So the causal factor behind Islamic radicalism in Europe is...."multiculturalism." Namely, the type of multiculturalism that allows for hookah bars, the wearing of Muslim symbols to school, and honor killings. It is not, mind you, that immigrants have a much harder time economically integrating into European society, the consequence of post-World War II guest worker programs, or that Europe is much closer to Turkey, Algeria, and a host of other Muslim nations, and so receives poor, marginalized immigrants from Muslim nations, while America's distance prohibits all but highly skilled, relatively educated, Muslim immigrants from financing the trip over. Nope. It's hookah bars, which America totally doesn't have any of, at all.

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Posted by: SDM | Oct 3, 2007 3:47:02 PM

If Katie Couric stops saying "we" on the news, then Muslims throughout the United States will have no choice but to start their own Al Qaeda cells.

Posted by: KCinDC | Oct 3, 2007 4:09:40 PM

Really, I don't know why you bother... when Jonah's this sloppy and lazy in his thinking, it's hardly worth the effort... but just to point out another problem - he says "no one wants to talk about the American culture," then proceeds to a) not talk about what that culture is and b) not explain anything about what conservatives think American culture is, which, it seems to me, would be the way to undermine Katie Couric's (or "the liberal") definition of our culture, which, again... he doesn't define. Probably because she hasn't either. Really... what was the point of wading into this, exactly? :)

Posted by: weboy | Oct 3, 2007 4:25:13 PM

I am having trouble accepting Couric as an icon of liberalism. Wasn't it within a week of assuming the anchor's chair that she decried the lack of civility in politics and then had Rush Limbaugh on?

Posted by: KCinDC | Oct 3, 2007 4:36:20 PM

Jonah says: "In Vancouver, Canada, smoking has been banned pretty much everywhere, except in Muslim-run hookah parlors."

Let me help: "In Vancouver, Canada, smoking has been banned pretty much everywhere, except for a temporary waiver granted to businesses whose primary source of revenue is tobacco products, such as cigar shops and hookah bars."

That's better.

Posted by: WatchfulBabbler | Oct 3, 2007 4:44:48 PM

I didn't know that the European countries are so committed to the idea of multiculturalism that they allow for honor killings. It's lucky Jonah is around to draw our attention to this loophole.

Posted by: Lucy | Oct 3, 2007 5:19:11 PM

So the causal factor behind Islamic radicalism in Europe is...."multiculturalism." Namely, the type of multiculturalism that allows for hookah bars, the wearing of Muslim symbols to school, and honor killings. It is not, mind you, that immigrants have a much harder time economically integrating into European society, the consequence of post-World War II guest worker programs,


1) Why cant it be a combination of these things?

If treating people badly produces resentment, how much more is produced when you treat them badly while telling them they deserve better and encouraging them to stay segregated in homogeneous neighborhoods where they can stew in their communal resentment over their ill-treatment?

Posted by: r4d20 | Oct 3, 2007 6:22:48 PM

I have never smoked shisha in the two months I have spent in the USA. I have also never eaten jewish or japanese food in the completely white european christian fortress that is the USA.

Posted by: Marcin Tustin | Oct 3, 2007 6:44:28 PM

Boy, CBS sure picked a winner with that Katie Couric. Branded forever with the Mark of Liberal by conservatives, apparently because she once said SUVs are icky. Despised by progressives, because of her lack of integrity or basic journalism skills. Grating, phony personality (not to say she's alone on that).

Posted by: PapaJijo | Oct 3, 2007 7:58:46 PM

The key point is the selectivity the US has regarding immigrants. Both in volume and in socio-economic status, the Muslims who make it here are simply not comparable to those in Europe.

Posted by: faux facsimile | Oct 3, 2007 8:23:56 PM

In Vancouver, Canada, smoking has been banned pretty much everywhere, except for a temporary waiver granted to businesses whose primary source of revenue is tobacco products, such as cigar shops and hookah bars.

In USA tax exempt status has been banned pretty much everywhere, except for a free ride granted to churches whose primary source of revenue is conning dimwitted rubes, such as christians, musulms and jews.

Posted by: k | Oct 3, 2007 8:23:59 PM

Geez, Ezra. Where have you been? This exact "argument" has been bouncing around the wingnut echo chamber for years now.

Posted by: keptsimple | Oct 3, 2007 11:19:14 PM

DC has the same sort of hookah-bar waiver for its smoking ban. It applies to hookah bars, cigar bars, and other bars that derive a certain percentage of their revenue from tobacco sales. Maybe hookah bars have an easier time meeting the threshold because some of them don't sell alcohol, so tobacco ends up being a larger percentage of sales. I'm pretty sure the ban works similarly in NYC and other places. I seriously doubt that the Vancouver waiver is based on religion.

Posted by: KCinDC | Oct 3, 2007 11:25:47 PM

Yup, the moron actually wrote "the answer doesn't lay".

Posted by: mijnheer | Oct 4, 2007 2:59:38 AM

What I, as an irrelevant ole Yurpean, don't understand is that the columns of spinmaster Goldberg are all the rage, while nobody notices news like these:
"Israeli communications said prove IAF knew Liberty was U.S. ship"
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/909552.html

Does someone here think this will lead to the Israelis finally being forced to tell us what the hell they were thinking when attacking a US ship? Nah, that would be ridiculous.
:-|

Posted by: Gray | Oct 4, 2007 6:44:07 AM

Here's the original story in the Chicago Tribune:
"New revelations in attack on American spy ship"
http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/printedition/tuesday/chi-liberty_tuesoct02,0,1050179.story

7 pages! A must read. Clearly shows the brutal cynism of Israel's leaders and the fear preventing the US from making this plot public. Will make you want to puke.

Posted by: Gray | Oct 4, 2007 8:19:03 AM

Sry for the s****ed up link. Here's a better one:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2ubzco

Posted by: Gray | Oct 4, 2007 8:20:35 AM

Yup, the moron actually wrote "the answer doesn't lay".

mijnheer, he didn't write anything, and that is not writing. I don't know what one could call it, but Goldberg's, ah, expulsions are definitely not writing, just as Goldberg is, inarguably, definitely not a writer.

Posted by: litbrit | Oct 4, 2007 9:36:43 AM

Sry for hijacking this thread, Ezra, but imho this is important news that don't receive the necessary attention. For those here who are critical of the picture provided by Walt/Mearsheinmer recently, just check what readers of Haaretz (and that's supposed to be a 'liberal' paper!) think of the US. I garantee you, you will lose all illusions you might still have:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/909552.html

Of course, I send two comments into that thread, too, trying to correct the distortions, but they didn't make it past moderation. Go figure.

Posted by: Gray | Oct 4, 2007 9:36:44 AM

Ok, now one comment showed up. Still dunno what happened to the other one...

Posted by: Gray | Oct 4, 2007 9:41:27 AM

Jonah's not sloppy; he's just full of shit. He knows his loyal readers won't call him on his BS. Thus, he operates on a lower standard. That doesn't mean he couldn't do a better job, just that he sees no value in it.

Posted by: Jamey | Oct 4, 2007 9:47:32 AM

I wonder what'll happen when the appropriately named Jonah (I can just imagine him being called to go to Iraq, running away to Spain and then, after everything, being mad at God for not simply smiting those Iraqis, can't you?) Goldberg realizes that they have hookahs (and hence presumably hookah bars) in Israel?

Posted by: DAS | Oct 4, 2007 10:17:17 AM

Do you people have Tourrette's? What does the USS Liberty attack have to do with this post???

Posted by: John-Paul Pagano | Oct 4, 2007 11:30:30 AM

Plus, y'know, the UK's smoking ban meant that most shisha cafés had to close in the summer or move the smoking outside.

Posted by: pseudonymous in nc | Oct 4, 2007 12:46:31 PM

Y'know, I keep reading that as "shiksa cafes" . . . .

Posted by: Dan S. | Oct 5, 2007 12:05:23 AM

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