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August 06, 2007

Yearly Kos Wrap-Up

Over at TAP. One of them excerpts:

"I haven't seen an agenda this exciting since my last League of Cities meeting," said Ed Kilgore as we walked to … well, I can't quite remember which of the YearlyKos's dozens of panels we were walking to. It could've been Friday's examination of telecommunications policy. It could've been the panel on trade theory in a globalized economy, or the one on the relative virtues of single-payer health care systems and multi-payer structures, or the one on electoral reform.

This is the great secret of the netroots: For barbarians, they sure are boring. The loudest boos of the conference came when Bill Richardson proposed that we amend the constitution to mandate a balanced budget. As The Politico's Ben Smith wrote, it had to be "the first fiscal policy booing on record." This is a crowd that truly believes in the importance of counter-cyclical spending.

I don't point this out to poke fun at the netroots. Wonkery does my heart good. But the intense focus on the innards of public policy actually gives a more accurate impression of the netroots' true nature than the usual examination of some blog commenter's curse words. The netroots are disproportionately rich, educated, and technologically adept -- they are, in demographic terms, technocrats. And technocrats don't crash gates. They write memos. They are far more comfortable improving from the inside than agitating from without. Which is why the media's habit of painting the netroots as some sort of emergent special interest, with these conventions acting as their trade meeting, has always been a bit off, but never more so than now.

Read on...

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Comments

I think you have your defcons mixed up. Defcon one is very bad.

Posted by: Aaron Bergman | Aug 6, 2007 11:33:17 AM

"netroots are disproportionately....educated.." uh huh. Please turn to the op-ed page of today's WSJ, to see how your sophisticated, educated view of the ascendancy of Rafsanjani is playing out. You might be "heartened" by the photo of the hanging done this past week for public entertainment and edification.

Posted by: Yan D. Kamecki | Aug 6, 2007 11:48:11 AM

Don't be a troll Mr Kamecki.

Even if Ezra were enitrely wrong about Iran, it wouldn't disprove the notion that the netroots are educated.

Posted by: McG | Aug 6, 2007 1:41:19 PM

Well, I never said it would entirely disprove it, or make them wrong about everything. But their sense of being educated causes them to fall for, and to a small extent be mouthpieces for, some of the vilest tyrannies of our time. This has ever been so. It's important for the netroots to get a full view of these hangings, right with their morning croissants.

Posted by: Yan D. Kamecki | Aug 6, 2007 2:12:50 PM

Yan, what color is the sky on your planet? Who in the blogosphere, of any political persuasion, is it that you think is infatuated with the Iranian regime? Sure, people on the left would prefer talks and sanctions to bombs and bullets ... but that doesn't mean anyone thinks it's all candy and flowers over there.

Posted by: Warren Terra | Aug 6, 2007 2:38:19 PM

Yan,
Thank you but no. We will not be "chalabied" into another "cakewalk" thank you very much.
Don't tell us we're totalitarian tyranny lovers because you are having trouble starting the next war.

Posted by: Northern Observer | Aug 6, 2007 5:02:23 PM

Have you heard the word "apologist"? An apologist doesn't openly praise this tyranny. Instead he says they have been "provoked" into their abuses. And don't tell me that idea -- that they are mere responders -- isn't all over this site, because it has been. An apologist says, Oh, if you face the truth about these people you are calling for the bombing of Iran. An apologist says, the Americans intervened in the time of Mossadeq and that, by some unspecified steps, led to today's situation of the jailing and hanging of underage young people. These tyrannies survive in part because of apologists abroad. People like Northern Observer.

Posted by: Yan D. Kamecki | Aug 6, 2007 5:13:50 PM

(1) Northern observer is a commenter, like you. It strains credulity to say that any commenter defines the tone of the site.

(2) No-one in this thread has said past American policy excuses current Iranian behavior. I don't know of anyone who's even commented that in the past, let alone any of the actual front-pagers. Some people have probably commented that if we'd thought ahead in the past we mightn't have poisoned our relationship and Iran might be a less repulsive state than it now is, and furthermore that it's never to late to start thinking ahead, but that's hardly the same thing.

I don't know much about Mossadeq, but I suspect overthrowing him was a dumb move, or at least didn't create a stable, free, pro-American Iran in the long run. I'm pretty sure working with the Saudis to create what became the Taliban and Al-Qaeda was a policy that, at least in hindsight, had its downside. I think my statements in this comment, and the comment from Northern Observer to which you object, are rather mild and are nothing like what you appear to imagine.

Posted by: Warren Terra | Aug 6, 2007 6:21:08 PM

I just saw a replay of a panel discussion at the convention on C-Span. It involved Digby, Taylor Marsh, and three others. This was a very unimpressive group, lacking even correct usage. Taylor said "for he and she". These people don't travel well from internet to stage, where they are inane and pedestrian.

Posted by: Yan D. Kamecki | Aug 9, 2007 7:16:01 AM

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Posted by: judy | Oct 11, 2007 8:05:37 AM

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