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August 07, 2007
Giuliani and the Laffer Curve
Giuliani's pro-Laffer musings are, of course, reprehensible, if not surprising. I'd bet large sums of money that Giuliani himself doesn't believe that it's merely a "liberal Democratic assumption that if you raise taxes, you raise more money," but like with his health care plan, is just adopting positions for their utility in attacking Democrats, rather than their integrity as policy plans.
This is only a viable approach for him because he's smartly manipulating two dynamics. The first is that the press won't call him on it. Read Matt's round-up of the uncritical stenography accorded to Giuliani's comments. If every time Giuliani uttered this bit of economic absurdity, the reporter appended a comment explaining that most economists consider this a laughable bit of hackish quackery, he'd stop saying it. They don't, so he doesn't. Which enables his whole campaign strategy: In the current media environment, all policy proposals are created equal. If you have something that sounds like a plan, you're allowed into the conversation as if you have a plan. Therefore, there's really no incentive to craft your policy proposals for maximum coherence and wisdom rather than maximum political advantage.
Giuliani's second enabler is the cowardice of his fellow candidates. These comments on the Laffer curve came at a GOP presidential debate. Anyone on the stage could've smacked him down. And one of the most visible of the participants, Mitt Romney, has hired Gregory Mankiw as one of his two primary economic advisors. That would be the same Gregory Mankiw who responded to pro-Laffer curve comments by McCain with a weary "unfortunately, fealty to the most extreme supply-side views is de rigeur in some segments of the Republican party." But his candidate, who surely knows better or Mankiw isn't doing his job, said nothing to contradict Giuliani. Not a word. One wonders why Professor Mankiw is lending his credibility to an individual so willing to abet the propagation of "extreme" views.
So you tell me: Why should Giuliani be honest? What's in it for him?
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Rudy Giuliani's campaign is premised on the idea that people are stupid and won't do any actual research in order to evaluate what he says. So far, he ain't wrong: They are and they won't. All hail President Rudy.
Posted by: James F. Elliott | Aug 7, 2007 12:15:59 PM
I don't buy the premise that what Giuliani said ought to be "corrected" by the press, at least not the part about the Democratic assumption. What he said was vague enough that he could actually mean something true by it, that it isn't always true that raising taxes will increase revenues, especially in a time of precarious economy. The NYT rightly took issue with his more concrete claim that cutting taxes raised revenues in NYC during the stock market boom.
Posted by: Sanpete | Aug 7, 2007 12:38:15 PM
"If every time Giuliani uttered this bit of economic absurdity, the reporter appended a comment explaining that most economists consider this a laughable bit of hackish quackery, he'd stop saying it. "
Uh no. That is exactly backwards. Guiliani is running for the GOP nomination remember? The voters he wants to vote for him in the primary 1) also believe in supply side hocus pocus and 2) believe there is a liberal media out to get conservatives. So if the media did call him on his economic nonsense, that would actually help him in his quest to win the Republican nomination and he would say that stuff more rather than stop saying it.
Posted by: Ron | Aug 7, 2007 12:39:48 PM
"Why should Giuliani be honest?"
It's the right thing to do?
HAHAHAHHAHAHA
Posted by: Sam L | Aug 7, 2007 1:11:17 PM
I wish my friends read this stuff so they wouldn't look at me funny when I say the newspapers, even the "good" ones, are shitty and that journalists don't do their f*cking jobs.
Did anyone else feel that McCain got less facetime during the debate than he used to because he dropped in the polls? I think it's bad that the greater attention the leading cadidates receive in the media carries over to the debates. Any candidate allowed into the debate should be treated equal to the others. The whole system is whacked.
Mankiw working for Mitt? Maybe people will think about what that says about him. You really should question anyone that shilled for Bush.
Posted by: Mitch Schindler | Aug 7, 2007 1:41:54 PM
It goes back to Jim Fallows's article about the media: all the news media cares to ask are questions about the horse race--who's going to win, etc. Why? Because it requires pretty much no effort to read some statistics and attach your own half-assed analysis of those facts. It also requires little brainpower and little time, as opposed to reporting on policy, which requires a lot of research to do.
It's why newspapers are dying. Does the headline "Giuliani Rips Democrats As Tax-and-spend Liberals" really mean anything to anyone? Is that going to help anyone make an informed choice as to who to vote for? Giuliani, much like the GOP, cares only about winning over "the liberal left". That might play with the hard-core conservatives, but the party the public ardently hates at this point ain't the Democrats. At least, not to so great an extent.
Posted by: Lev | Aug 7, 2007 1:52:58 PM
What he said was vague enough that he could actually mean something true by it
Isn't it nice that we have such high standards?
Posted by: SDM | Aug 7, 2007 1:59:43 PM
SDM, what standards would you prefer for journalists to insert themselves as referees in political disputes? Those complaining about how journalists have behaved in this case just picked a bad case to focus on.
Posted by: Sanpete | Aug 7, 2007 2:38:20 PM
What's fascinating is the difference between Rudy Bullshit and Mitt Bullshit. Romney is the classic fake, who impersonates the position of those he's targetting. Giuliani has a different kind of mendacity: there's absolutely nothing underneath what he says, but it apparently fires up the lizard brains of his supporters.
What he said was vague enough that he could actually mean something true by it,
Ah, another variation of the Sanpete maxim: give every Republican bullshitter the benefit of the doubt.
SDM, what standards would you prefer for journalists to insert themselves as referees in political disputes?
I'm not SDM, but I'd go with the standard that while a policy statement might be born yesterday, we weren't. There's a strange presumption in US journalism that every day is a blank slate.
Posted by: pseudonymous in nc | Aug 7, 2007 6:13:42 PM
Ah, another variation of the Sanpete maxim: give every Republican bullshitter the benefit of the doubt.
Here I'd say it's more a matter of not jumping to conclusions that make you an idiot.
I'm not SDM, but I'd go with the standard that while a policy statement might be born yesterday, we weren't. There's a strange presumption in US journalism that every day is a blank slate.
That's a standard?
Posted by: Sanpete | Aug 7, 2007 7:43:08 PM
why does it seem like when a Dem says anything, the press quotes it and tags on something like "others dispute this," but when a republican says something disputable, it gets quoted as is?
Posted by: Dave | Aug 8, 2007 10:47:51 AM
For the same reason it seems to Republicans that whe a Republican says anything, the press quotes it and tags on something like "others dispute this," but when a Democrat says something disputable, it gets quoted as is?
Posted by: Sanpete | Aug 8, 2007 7:20:29 PM
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