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May 04, 2007

Under 21 Softcore Porn!

That should jack up the Google hits. And this should disappoint those who follow the links! Garance has a very provocative op-ed on Girls Gone Wild in today's Wall Street Journal. In it, she argues that:

"Mr. Francis's cameras have constructed a huge business out of recording the semi-nudity of "girls" who are not in "the business" at all: naïve girls, canny girls, drunken girls, pretty girls and not-so-pretty girls--regular girls, if one may put it that way. Above all, young girls. Mr. Francis has made it socially acceptable for a freshman at, say, Ohio State--living in a dorm room in Columbus like thousands of freshmen before her--to participate in soft-core porn."

The digital revolution, of course, intensifies the consequences of participating in softcore porn -- even privately -- at a young age, and so this normalization can do some real damage down the road. "It is time," Garance writes, "to raise the age of consent from 18 to 21--"consent," in this case, referring not to sexual relations but to providing erotic content on film."

This is where things get iffy for me. I loathe Girls Gone Wild as I loathe few institutions in American life. Joe Francis is puddle-dwelling scum. But if you're an adult at 18-years-old, you should be able to have a beer, or for that matter, flash someone. I may not like the choice, and I certainly hope my little sister isn't going to be flashing anyone, but there's no alchemical transformation at 21 that hugely enhances decision-making abilities. Garance is right that maturation proceeds with age, but if the median 21-year-old is more mature, then 25-year-old is even more mature, and the 32-year-old more mature than that. The line is arbitrary -- what we're really trying to do is guide the decision-making. But if folks are adults at 18, then they're adults at 18. If we want to move that line to 21, that's a different conversation. But I'm very uncomfortable with enacting legislation that denies the ability of young women to exercise rational judgment over how they use their bodies.

For that reason, I'd be much more comfortable with a remedy that sought to outlaw the particular model of GGW, which seeks out girls whose decision-making capacities are severely impaired (because they're drunk) and does so in pressured environments (where groups of guys will be hooting for them to flash). It's an inherently coercive and exploitive approach, and I'd be glad to short-circuit it. But the problem, here, is GGW, not individual teenagers taking nude pictures, and I think the remedy should thus be more limited.

Update: Garance has some smart comments on the problems with defining informed consent and and some further clarifications as to what sort of law she'd like. Read them. I'm still unclear, however, on why we can't just say, "no recruiting for same-day porn videos at bars," or simply enforce a waiting period between signing consent and making your porn so the effects of haste and intoxication are blunted.

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> If folks are adults at 18, then they're
> adults at 18. If we want to move that line
> to 21, that's a different conversation.

Of course, you would have to move the draft age to 21 also - even under W's Supreme Court I have a hard time seeing the Supremes allowing the disenfranchised and un-citizened to be hauled away to their deaths in mass with no say.

And that ain't gonna happen.

Cranky

Posted by: Cranky Observer | May 4, 2007 12:35:09 PM

I think you're right Ezra. Another consequence of such legislation could be the right trying to tack on parental notification for abortions for women under 21.

Posted by: b.d. | May 4, 2007 12:39:19 PM

Oh dear... It's... Return of The Porn Discussion!

Posted by: weboy | May 4, 2007 12:39:40 PM

I suppose we can start arresting college couples who take naughty pictures of each other.

Posted by: Atrios | May 4, 2007 12:40:09 PM

Having the age at which it's permissible to make available naked pictures of yourself line up with adulthood certainly seems like the most natural way to do it.

Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | May 4, 2007 12:50:58 PM

I just bopped over for a second and I don't have time to google around but I don't think 21 is as arbitrary as you say it is. There's brain development going on around that age that impacts decision making for the better. Again, can't find the proof so this is all something I remembered or dreamed or simply hope like hell is true. I tell my kids if they can stay away from the crazy, destructive stuff just until they're 21, there's a chance they won't want to do it so much anymore. Don't take that away from me ;)

Posted by: eRobin | May 4, 2007 12:51:17 PM

Garance doesn't understand. All these girls have to do is join the Republican Party and then there will be no negative consequences later in life for past participation in soft core porn

Posted by: rea | May 4, 2007 12:51:56 PM

GFR is usually very sharp, but that editorial was not well thought out. Joe Francis is a scumbag, there's no question about that, but I fail to see (and the article fails to identify) the great threat that he poses which necessitates raising the age of consent across the board for appearing naked on video.

I'm sorry if some drunk sorority girl gets drunk, flashes the camera, and then regrets it later. But that's no reason to prohibit the 19 year old who wants to act in a dirty movie (or for that matter, a "legitimate" film that includes a sex scene) from doing so.

Posted by: Jason | May 4, 2007 12:52:13 PM

For that reason, I'd be much more comfortable with a remedy that sought to outlaw the particular model of GGW, which seeks out girls whose decision-making capacities are severely impaired (because they're drunk) and does so in pressured environments (where groups of guys will be hooting for them to flash).

This idea seems no less ill-considered and unworkable than raising the "age of consent" to 21. What, exactly, constitutes a "pressured environment?" What, exactly, constitutes "severely impaired?" How are you going to make these determinations reliably so as to enforce the law fairly?

Posted by: JasonR | May 4, 2007 1:05:57 PM

i'm just not anti-nudity at all. what is wrong with a girl flashing someone, or a bunch of people for that matter? nothing. really, there's nothing wrong with it. where does the moralizing on this really come from? who cares?

Posted by: benj | May 4, 2007 1:06:27 PM

benj, I'm as pro-porn as they come, but you have to do some background research on the general scumbaginess of Joe Francis and his GGW enterprise.

Posted by: dbt | May 4, 2007 1:10:53 PM

JasonR:

I don't particularly like either of the suggested methods, but I disagree with you about the ambiguity of Ezra's suggestion.

The law is full of ambiguities. What exactly is an arrest under Miranda? What exactly is reasonable suspicion under Terry? Heck, as a baseline, what is probable cause? At what point do we have mutual assent for a contract?

None of these questions have hard and fast answers. Then again, the laws aren't made for hard and fast answers, but to give that sort of flexibility. That is the entire reason we have a tiered court system- strong authority from the top with useful factual analyses all the way down. The questions you pose have been applied rather successfully in other contexts, so I don't see a reason why they can't be expanded here.

Posted by: Fnor | May 4, 2007 1:14:55 PM

It is time," Garance writes, "to raise the age of consent from 18 to 21--"consent," in this case, referring not to sexual relations but to providing erotic content on film."

Okay, I admit, I've never read anything by Franke-Ruta except idiotic stuff like this that other bloggers have quoted. So I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and just say I'm sure she has written something somewhere that isn't idiotic.

Posted by: Gary Sugar | May 4, 2007 1:15:54 PM

As an alumni of The Ohio State University I have to say god bless soft core porn and freshmen girls. University is about learning, both what is in books and what is in you.
JC

Posted by: James | May 4, 2007 1:17:52 PM

Don't take that away from me ;)

Parents might have to start telling their kids it's more complicated than "everything legal is good", god forbid.

Posted by: melior | May 4, 2007 1:18:07 PM

US society has problems with the adulthood line. It was 21 until it was pointed out that dying in Vietnam seemed like it was an adulthood thing. Then states backtracked on alcohol. And backtracker further on which crimes and at what age qualified for trial as an adult. Then the age when the dealth penalty could apply became an issue.

eRobin has it correct, partly, on the age when the brain is mostly in final judgemental order. The complication is that girls become brain-adults earlier (in years) than boys do - boys in the early 20's somewhere, depending. That's an interesting problem from a legal point of view. It would suggest that only females could be trusted at 18 to be making an adult decision to volunteer in the military services to get their brains rattled by IEDs - a result that would explode some large number of wingnut heads.

Since we've drawn the line at 18 for sexual consent and adult-enough-to-kill-in-war, it hardly seems reasonable to say girls (the most likely to be acting as adults at 18) can't show their naked breasts (but somehow the same anatomy is ok for boys at any age). The corallary on boys is that they shouldn't show anyone their sexual organs until they pass the adulthood tests on brain development. That wouldn't be any fun for the boys or girls.

The porn industry is huge and getting bigger each year. To cut off 'actors' because they aren't 21 or whatever would be a mortal blow - young-uns being prize material for hard or soft porn. Won't happen.

Why are female breasts considered sexual and must be covered up at least party (the nipples), but men's breasts, nipples and all, are family fare? Never has made sense to me.

Posted by: JimPortlandOR | May 4, 2007 1:21:07 PM

Couldn't a middle line be drawn by, perhaps, (a) requiring written consent in order for another person's image to be used for commercial purposes and (b) allowing such person (regardless of whether they are over or under the age of 21) to withdraw that consent within a "cooling-off" period of, say, 30 days?

Posted by: nolo | May 4, 2007 1:21:20 PM

Italics no more, I hope.

Posted by: nolo | May 4, 2007 1:23:14 PM

there's no alchemical transformation at 21 that hugely enhances decision-making abilities.

As was pointed out above, 21 ain't so arbitrary. One can actually argue that 18, while having ancient roots as an age of consent, is actually quite arbitrary. How come not 16? How come not 19?

In my experience, the big maturation in one's mindset comes when one is facing one's future. For your typical molly-coddled suburbanite, that occurs toward the end of the junior year in college -- i.e. around 21 (for your typical spoiled child of privilege, that never occurs, consider e.g., Bush, GW). IMHO, most college freshman aren't that much more mature than most high school juniors, e.g.

I fail to see the point of having 18 as the magical age then, except that it's problematic to have a group all at the same school split into consent-capable and non-consent-capable. But then, as young Ezra would I'm sure point out, it's problematic to have college freshman not legally able to drink and college seniors able to drink. Of course, it used to be that freshman could drink weak beer in many locals, but that's another story ...

Posted by: DAS | May 4, 2007 1:23:37 PM

Why are female breasts considered sexual and must be covered up at least party (the nipples), but men's breasts, nipples and all, are family fare? Never has made sense to me.

Believe me, it made no sense to me back when I was doing a lot of outdoor manual labor, and I was the only one on my crew that couldn't take off her shirt on a hot day.

Posted by: nolo | May 4, 2007 1:25:03 PM

Italics stopped. You're welcome.

Posted by: brent | May 4, 2007 1:25:45 PM

GFR makes the case that woman are fragile, not responsible for their actions, brainless, and so need protection from men, by other men, most convincingly.

I had been operating on the assumption that at a given age, women are generally more mature than men, and that adult women and men are rational effective actors.

But I guess they really are victims.

Posted by: jerry | May 4, 2007 1:26:30 PM

The law is full of ambiguities. - Fnor

Shall I blogwhore my recent series of posts inspired by my recent experience as a(n alternate) juror regarding the concept of "reasonable doubt" and the idea that juror instructions are teh suck when you are used to thinking like an edumacated scientimist?

Nah ... I'd best not ...

Posted by: DAS | May 4, 2007 1:26:43 PM

Far easier would be to pass a law stating that you *can't* sign away rights to payment for use of your image and that you are by law entitled not just to a flat fee for use of any image that includes you but to a royalty which could be set quite high, or set to something like a percentage of the gross profits of the individual/company exploiting your image for the life of the image.

aimai

Posted by: aimai | May 4, 2007 1:28:16 PM

Believe me, it made no sense to me back when I was doing a lot of outdoor manual labor, and I was the only one on my crew that couldn't take off her shirt on a hot day. - nolo

Sounds like if we had the ERA in place, you'd have a right to take your shirt off as well. I reckon if we broadcast "pass the ERA and we'll see more topless women", the opposition to it among male chauvanist pigs would fade? After all, no male chauvanist pig would oppose topless women lest people realize he's really closet case ...

Posted by: DAS | May 4, 2007 1:29:08 PM

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