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April 14, 2007
Guns, Gays, And Uh, Phill Kline
by Stephen of the Thinkery
Kathleen Sebelius, the Governor of Kansas, vetoed a bill on Friday that was yet another attempt by the State Legislature to interfere with the ability of the state's cities and counties to govern themselves. This time, legislators want to dictate to cities and counties where they can and cannot ban the presence of concealed weapons. After the Legislature had passed the concealed-carry law, which banned concealed weapons in 21 types of places, several Kansas towns passed ordinances that expanded that list. For example, the state legislation prohibits concealed weapons in state governmental offices. Apparently, though, the idea that city governmental offices might be accorded the same status was too much for our women and men in Topeka to bear.
Other places the State Legislature thinks it's fine for people to have concealed weapons after the fold.
There had been a provision in this bill to ban concealed weapons from youth athletic events, but it was deemed "too broad." After all, said Rep. Phil Journey (R-Haysville), that provision could apply to "five kids playing stickball." So concealed weapons are allowed, under this bill, at all T-ball and soccer games and any other collection of children playing - organized or not. Another provision struck from the bill would have banned concealed weapons from properties surrounded by a fence with controlled access points - festivals and the like. Again, we can't force gun owners to emasculate themselves for such things as fairs, concerts or other city/county-sponsored events. Now, I'm sure that the comment thread is going to quickly devolve into a flame war about John Lott's "research" and how states with concealed-carry laws don't have any crime at all anymore. While I'm sure I won't be able to forestall such a thing, I'm also not interested in any of it. My problem with concealed-carry laws is that I don't trust my fellow citizens to handle themselves responsibly with the ability to carry handguns on their person wherever they go. The fact that we even have such a thing as the police is evidence that prior to the modern GOP's gun fetish society figured it was a good thing to take law enforcement out of the hands of whoever feels like doing it and into the hands of trained, dedicated professionals.
Recently the State Legislature also considered a law aimed at prohibiting Lawrence from establishing a domestic partner registry. That the legislation applies to all cities doesn't change that this was a deliberate slap at Lawrence for even thinking of such a thing. Nor did it matter that the registry did nothing to give anyone any rights not already denied to gays and lesbians. What it sought to address was how certain companies require domestic partners to be listed on such a registry in order to receive company benefits.
Phill Kline, former Attorney General and now District Attorney for Johnson County (read about the whole ridiculous story here), has been the target of state legislation. In Kansas, District Attorneys are part of their county's budget, but are not under the jurisdiction of the county government, answering to the Attorney General instead. In Johnson County, however, for the last 25 years at least the DA has followed county policies in all HR matters. The Johnson County Commission even passed an ordinance that specifically required the DA to follow its HR policies, and nothing was done about it for years even though it contradicted state law.
Enter Phill Kline who, about 1 hour after being sworn in, summarily fired 7 prosecutors and the DA office's chief investigator. Those 8 people filed a grievance with the county, saying that Kline didn't follow the correct HR policies. Kline responded that he was a state officer and didn't have to. It's gone to the courts, with Kline's right to ignore county policies upheld as well as the 8 employees' fired status being reversed. That's a good compromise, and honestly it's more that the prosecutors and investigator deserve under actual state law.
Unfortunately for Kline, most of Kansas is sick of him and quite a few people are incensed at the way he was selected as Johnson County DA. So the State Legislature considered legislation that would place DA's under county commissions for HR purposes. They even said that the law could be written to apply only to Johnson County. What a great precedent that is. Though, if writing separate laws for each county would make them too busy to pass laws making English the official State language, that may not be such a bad thing.
All of these bills show how deeply unprofessional the State Legislature is, and how power hungry they've become in Topeka. The rationale for the vetoed concealed-carry law was that all cities and counties needed to be consistent in their regulations. But the Legislature is willing to single out Johnson County just because Phill Kline is a huge jerk. And they're quite happy to interfere with all of Kansas' cities because of the actions of one of them.
The situation here is a good example of how ideologically bankrupt the GOP has become. They don't even try anymore to present themselves as the party of "small government and personal responsibility." Now, they're just the party of lax gun regulations, no acceptance of gays and in Kansas at least, the party of political hit jobs.
Pathetic.
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Am I correct that that's the same guy who got dubbed the "panty sniffer" because of his harassment of women who'd had abortions (including violating the privacy of their medical records)? If so, what the heck is he doing still in office? I thought he was gone for good.
Posted by: beckya57 | Apr 14, 2007 1:55:52 PM
Recently here in Houston, there was a handgun murder on a city bus. That alone was pretty shocking to me (I ride the bus sometimes and like to think of them as safe...), but what was even more shocking was that the murderer was carrying a licensed concealed handgun. I've never understood the idea that because someone is licensed to carry a concealed weapon that I'm somehow safer because of it. I don't know anything abou tthe killer on the bus, but presumably he had never shot anyone to death before. But the state gave him permission to pack heat, and he did, and now someone's dead.
Kansas's state lege sounds only slightly less nutso than Texas's.
Posted by: RWB | Apr 14, 2007 2:34:11 PM
I see that you've already covered the other Phill Kline story from earlier this week.
Threatening to arrest doctors on obstruction of justice charges because they don't draw blood from (potentially) drunk drivers who have been brought into the hospital following an accident is truly a classic.
Who doesn't just love a D.A. who has no idea what the law is?
Posted by: FS | Apr 14, 2007 2:55:55 PM
the murderer was carrying a licensed concealed handgun.
In theory I don't necessarily object to trained, licensed people being allowed to carry a concealed gun. However, this incident does give lie to the claim that "responsible, licensed gun owners aren't going to be the ones that commit crimes." Here's a perfect example of it.
Posted by: Constantine | Apr 14, 2007 3:05:37 PM
beckya57,
When Paul Morrison was elected Attorney General, the Johnson County DA position was vacated. Because of an incredibly dumb rule here, since Morisson was a Republican when he was elected DA, the GOP Precint Leaders were able to choose his successor. Kline quickly registered to vote in Johnson County, using a vacant apartment owned by a supporter as his "permanent" address. The Precint Leaders met and elected Kline by a 21-vote margin out of 600.
Over the next few days, the Johnson County Election Office reported hundreds of requests to change party affiliation from GOP to either Democratic or Independent.
Posted by: Stephen | Apr 14, 2007 3:05:56 PM
...what was even more shocking was that the murderer was carrying a licensed concealed handgun.
RWB,
Do you have a link to this, please? I would be very interested to know the circumstances. It's rather rare to see CHL involved in crime.
Thanks
Posted by: Fred Jones | Apr 14, 2007 4:16:33 PM
"The situation here is a good example of how ideologically bankrupt the GOP has become."
And an example of why I am so much more hyperpartisan than Sanpete and many others. It is not just Rove and Wolfowitz and twenty others. There are tens of millions of very bad people in this country.
Posted by: bob mcmanus | Apr 14, 2007 4:32:17 PM
Hey RWB,
I was at the store the other day and this guy whipped out his conceal-carry permit (his RNC membership card fell out at the same time) and showed it to everyone then said "I'm a conservative, I like to hunt, I hate abortions and I voted for Bush, twice!" then he stated shooting everyone.
I think that proves that conceal carry permits are bad.
Posted by: I'm a big dumb retard | Apr 14, 2007 7:33:23 PM
"An armed society is a polite society."
Posted by: Captain Toke | Apr 14, 2007 7:34:31 PM
I'm confused. If certain cities in Kansas decided by majority vote to prohibit Abortion Clinics & others providing female reproductive services from operating within their districts, would you object to the state government intervening to prevent such restrictions?
I know, this is about handguns & the potential danger of sanctioning their public carrying, but if that's the case then that should be what's up for debate, not some bogus paen to federalism.
Posted by: DRR | Apr 15, 2007 6:13:18 AM
RWB,
I would also like to see a link, if one exists, about this Houston shooting. Thanks.
Posted by: DRR | Apr 15, 2007 6:14:43 AM
DRR,
I've written quite a bit about Phill Kline, a man that I personally despise - from personal experience - as well as a man with whom I disagree politically. However, even though he could have handled his personnel issues differently, he was within his rights as a state official to fire those prosecutors and the investigator the way that he did. The fact that the DA's in Kansas are independent of the county commissions is good and necessary and has been used in Johnson County, at least, to bring corrupt county officials to justice in the past. There is simply no reason for the legislature to rewrite our laws just because Phill Kline is a massive jerk.
I suppose that if you already have your mind made up about liberals and "federalism," then the fact that 2 of my 3 examples are cities doing what I support could make you think that this was some "bogus paen to federalism." But if you bothered to actually read the post without your blinders on, you would see that on the merits what I'm saying is correct. Further, you would recognize that my standards are consistent, even when the State Legislature's involvement would put my political opponent in his place.
Posted by: Stephen | Apr 15, 2007 9:00:23 AM
As far as the issue of concealed weapon license holders, here is a link that might be of interest. It's an advocacy organization, so Fred and the "big dumb retard" might discount their stuff out of hand, but it seems aboveboard.
Posted by: Stephen | Apr 15, 2007 9:06:18 AM
This is just confused. A committee of the KS House considered, but did not pass and will not pass anytime soon (certainly not this year) a ban on domestic partner registries such as the one proposed in Lawrence. How does that demonstrate anything about the KS legislature's being power hungry or the GOP ideologically bankrupt? The fact that a law is proposed and then rejected would seem to me to be evidence to the contrary.
It's the same with the Kline example, except even moreso. The fact that a single liberal Republican legislator has a long-standing animus against Kline doesn't convert his efforts, misguided as they may be, into the efforts of the GOP. The fact that his efforts have been and will continue to be unsuccessful is only a partial reason for that conclusion. You can't use Vratil as your poster-child for the GOP and then insist that the GOP favors "lax gun regulations" and "no acceptance of gays"--that's just not him.
Posted by: Thomas | Apr 15, 2007 10:16:06 AM
"There had been a provision in this bill to ban concealed weapons from youth athletic events, but it was deemed "too broad." After all, said Rep. Phil Journey (R-Haysville), that provision could apply to "five kids playing stickball." "
Huh? Why would that be too broad? Is a kids' stickball game an appropriate place for concealed handguns?
Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Apr 15, 2007 4:27:14 PM
" The fact that we even have such a thing as the police is evidence that prior to the modern GOP's gun fetish society figured it was a good thing to take law enforcement out of the hands of whoever feels like doing it and into the hands of trained, dedicated professionals."
This is kind of akin to saying that the existence of EMS means that people shouldn't be learning CPR.
Let's also all remember this statement the next time a bunch of cops put several dozen bullets through an innocent black man.
Posted by: Phil | Apr 16, 2007 8:21:47 AM
meanwhile 22 people killed with a gun in virginia...
time to speak out against your bullshit gun laws, mr. jim webb.
i'm sick of this disgusting haze over minds regarding gun control.
Posted by: christian | Apr 16, 2007 12:59:44 PM
would of been nice to see a link to a news paper rather than a political blog for the so called murder in houston.
There is no doubt there have been people who have a chl commit crimes. The statistics can be seen on Texas DPS web sight.
I wonder when was the last time one of you drove over the speed limit or ran a red light. Every day a motorcycle rider is murdered by a licensed driver who has a license to kill providing they run over a motorcycle. When will someone stand up and protest the drivers license? When will a soccor mom be put in prison for the murder of a person on a motorcycle? When?
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