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March 08, 2007
Unions Without Wage Bargaining
Tyler Cowen has discovered a paper by John DiNardo and David Lee arguing that unions don't actually raise wages, change productivity, change the number of widgets constructed, or increase the chances that the company will go out of business. In other words, they do nothing, in either direction. Which is odd, given how vociferously employers resist them.
This paper, of course, flies in the face of most all other evidence. It flies in the face of what Tyler believed yesterday. And, sorry to say it, I don't buy it. For instance, a recent study on union impacts on the hotel industry found that "In 2000, overall unionized hotel workers in metropolitan areas earned 17 percent more per hour than non-unionized workers. If we narrow the scope to front-line workers (the focus of our study), the union wage effect grows even larger, to 30 percent...It is also noteworthy that the union’s wage effect is strongest for the lowest paid occupations. Janitors and food preparers stand to gain the most from representation, with a national union wage premium of 39.5% and 36.0% in 2000, respectively. For bartenders and baggage porters, who earn significantly more, the premium was 19.1 and 19.4%, respectively." So let me say this clearly: I think the study Tyler is citing is wrong.
But let's assume I did buy it. Tyler wants to know how a union-supporter would respond, and I'd suggest it's with a shrug. There's a sad miscomprehension in the larger political discourse that the primary purpose of labor unions is to demand higher wages and more expansive benefits. This is not true. The enduringly important role of unions -- wage increases or none -- is to give workers a voice in their company, and to imbue that voice with the power to force change. So 90% of what a union does is not bargain for better health care, it's file grievance claims on behalf of its workers. They demand better treatment, safer machinery, family-friendly scheduling, and equitable hiring. And they fight in the other direction as well, giving workers who may otherwise be ignored a channel through which to advocate for process improvements that would otherwise go unheard. Their day-to-day role is to give workers a voice in the workplace, and that remains even if they could never secure another wage increase again.
So, for instance, they would never allow this scheduling program to enter implementation at Wal-Mart because, while it's good for the company's bottom line, it eliminates regularity in employee work schedules and "alerts managers when a worker is approaching full-time status or overtime, which would require higher wages and benefits, so they can scale back that person's schedule." Or they'll fight endlessly, as they did in Las Vegas, to force fair promotions. In Vegas, young, pretty cocktail waitresses got to serve all the high roller tables. If you were a waitress who'd been working for a few years and had a crow's foot or two, you were consigned to the cheap tables which, of course, are far less lucrative. As Nathan Newman eloquently puts it:
That is what unions get you-- the right not to be told you are too old to be presentable in public. The right not to have a supervisor play favoritism and demand you degrade yourself in order to feed your family.
In unionized casinos, a rich high-roller can buy himself the fanciest penthouse in the hotel. He can buy the fanciest food. He can buy almost anything.
But when he sits at the craps table, the one thing he can't buy is that the woman serving his drinks be replaced by the youngest girl in the house.
'Cause in a union shop, human dignity is not for sale.
No effect on wages there, of course. Only on the lives of workers, the ability of these women to create a career out of their jobs, and their capacity to secure dignity and respect at their workplace. And that's not even getting into what unions do for workplace safety, and the catastrophes that mount in their absence. So, in answer to Tyler's question, even if it came true that unions could never eke out another wage increase, I'd still support them ferociously. Workers need a voice -- and a fist -- in the workplace.
And, lastly, here's my question for Tyler: Given that you now believe data showing that unions don't close businesses, change wages, or do much of anything else, why not warm my heart and start supporting them? And better yet, start explaining to employers that they should support them? After all, if there's no downside, surely all this opposition is simply a misguided farce that could be easily swept away...
March 8, 2007 in Labor | Permalink
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Which is odd, given how vociferously employers resist them.
Employer: I need workers and here's what I willing to pay.
Unionize worker: Hey, we demand more.
Employer: Look, I'm the one that is risking my money here and I call the shots. If my decisions are good, I will survive and do well, if not I lose everything.
Unionized worker: Fuck you you capitalist pig. Just wait until my goons show up!
Posted by: Fred Jones | Mar 8, 2007 8:43:07 AM
I'm just curious, what kind of rational discussion can you possibly have with someone who would not only believe such tripe but actually base a line of reasoning on it?
Not that I think the point you bring up, regarding what unions do other than look mfor more cash, is bad. It's not. But seriously, once again we're allowing unreasonable to set the terms of the argument to the point where you have to discount something so obvious that one would have to be a purblind lunatic to not see it, and then make a "rational" argument with them?
Sorry.
Nice read anyway Ezra but let's stop moving the goalposts.
How's this.
Tyler,
Are you stupid or dishonest? Because interpretting that data, in that manner, can only bring about one or the other of those conclusions. So, could you be wrong, or is it one of the other two? Just curious...
signed-the rest of the fucking world
Posted by: ice weasel | Mar 8, 2007 8:44:09 AM
Give me an example, Fred, say from the unionization campaign in Las Vegas, where goons were used. And try to make it a better one than when the Pullman strike brought in folks to shoot -- and kill -- union supporters. And don't change the subject. A simple link showing goons were brought in to intimidate hotel guests or employees will suffice.
Posted by: Ezra | Mar 8, 2007 8:51:14 AM
I am too lazy to read the report cited but consider this. It is a standard tactics by employers to raise wages during a unionization drive. They do this to demonstrate to workers that they don't need a union and, either implicitly or explicitly, make the point that with a union they would have to fight long and hard for the same wage increase and may never get it. Does the study control for this well known ploy?
On the broader point, as you rightly describe, unions serve a number of purposes, including but not limited to negotiating for better wages and benefits. For many workers it is a question of dignity--being able to approach the employer as and equal and not a supplicant. Not being an employee at will but rather one who can only be fired for good cause. The ability to complain about unsafe working conditions without risk being fired. I could go on and on but you get my point.
Posted by: dmh | Mar 8, 2007 8:57:52 AM
I used to work with John and he's a) smarter than your average bear and b) probably politically to the left of all us.
But I don't think the real point of the paper (judging from the abstract) is that unions can't or don't raise wages, the point is that they aren't automatically an economic disaster for employers - that the introduction of a union where one wasn't before doesn't automatically spike wages.
They've done what they can to tease out a natural experiment (as close as possible), comparing barely-won with barely-lost unionization drives to show that when comparing those two, the barely-won unions don't spike wages all things equal.
That doesn't mean that unions never succeed in raising wages, or that overall increases in union participation, especially in specific industries, can't wage raises. It just means that the union isn't the automatic magic wage increasing machine, given current economic and legal climates.
Posted by: Atrios | Mar 8, 2007 9:52:06 AM
Unions are part of the capitalist system. What the union does in negotiating wages and working conditions is no different from what a yuppie in a suit does when he's got the job offer and he's bidding for a salary.
I argue that a true libertarian should be pro-union and anti-corporation. Unions need no protection from the government. Protection from the government is the raison d'etre of the corporation.
Posted by: Steve | Mar 8, 2007 10:00:27 AM
Adding, for a taste of john's views listen to his song Monopsony in Motion.
Lyrics:
Verse:
She's got a job
and it don't pay well.
He's got his labor
and it don't sell.
They say its different,
but it's all the same to me ...
Just another bad case of
Monopsony in Motion
Chorus:
Monopsony can break your heart,
and tear your world apart.
We all know it's a tragedy.
But capitalists will rue the day,
When the workers have their way -
Someday, somehow, soon
Verse:
Can't stand the degradation,
high rates of exploitation ,
Capitalist Man has got me down.
We've got to end
this wage slavery or
else we all gonna face
Monopsony in motion.
Posted by: Atrios | Mar 8, 2007 10:00:52 AM
A while back I was talking to a one-legged guy in a bar. He was a baggage handler at JFK, and he'd been caught by a conveyor belt. He told me, as we discussed the odd clarity that comes with traumatic injury sometimes, that his first thought was "the union's been complaining that equipment was unsafe - NOW they're going to listen to us."
In a non-union shop, of course, odds are that the rest of the crew would have been working with exactly the same equipment the next day. And more than that, part of the meaning of unions is that this guy's first thought was about something beyond himself and his own bare survival.
Posted by: Brian | Mar 8, 2007 10:05:15 AM
yeah. thanks to unions, women aren't treated as sex objects in Las Vegas. uh huh. keep taking the pills...
Posted by: Chris | Mar 8, 2007 10:21:40 AM
Another important role that unions play is that they give working people a voice in politics.
Conservatives sometimes claim that workers don't unions anymore because government laws now protect workers.
This seems to assume that the government and employers enacted these laws without any prompting from unions and working people mobilizing to vote. It also assumes that corporations don't try to weaken or eliminate these laws at every opportunity. And it assumes that if unions didn't exist that the GOP wouldn't get rid of those laws for their corporate clients.
Unions are also an important counterveiling force against the power of corporations in the political arena.
Posted by: Brendan Sexton | Mar 8, 2007 10:27:01 AM
Give me an example, Fred, say from the unionization campaign in Las Vegas, where goons were used. And try to make it a better one than when the Pullman strike brought in folks to shoot -- and kill -- union supporters. And don't change the subject. A simple link showing goons were brought in to intimidate hotel guests or employees will suffice.
Posted by: Ezra
I can't blame you for trying Ezra, but really, you should know better. Think about just how bizarre and delusional Fred's view of unionization is. The employers' risk in a business venture, compared to that faced by their employees, is... much greater? (Admittedly, measured in dollars alone, that's not totally ridiculous. But still, just for the first out of many obvious problems with that, it seems Fred thinks outsourcing only happens as a last resort of the survival of a company.)
Union goons intimidate the... employers?
Negotiating for salaries is... immoral? Or only done by Communists or something?
Arguing with Fred about this is like arguing about the merits of funding paleontology research with a Young Earth Creationist. There is a valid debate to be had, but the best possible outcome in this instance is mutual confusion, and even that is unlikely.
Posted by: Cyrus | Mar 8, 2007 10:37:29 AM
One of the primary benefits to employees under a union is the democratization of the workplace. I imagine this is also one of the primary reasons management opposes unions. It also helps to explain why, despite little to no economic impact resulting from unionization in the study, employers oppose unionization efforts and employees undertake them.
Posted by: Dungheap | Mar 8, 2007 10:50:58 AM
Atrios is right about DiNardo - both hugely smart and hugely left in general.
in fact, he and some co-authors have the landmark paper showing that unions and minimum wages have huge effects on the distribution of income.
and, he and Lee couldn't try any harder to scare off interpretations like Tyler's, from the paper's conclusion, only about the fifth caveat of the type:
"It is thus clear that our results do not necessarily imply that unions have no potential to substantially
raise wages for its members."
anyway, something to note is that their wage data applies only to the manufacturing sector post-1984. One can imagine the wage-increasing impacts of unions won't really be found there.
josh bivens
Posted by: josh bivens | Mar 8, 2007 11:40:14 AM
Just to bring some light to Brian's comment about the one-legged baggage handler at JFK: if that injury happened anytime in the last 4 years, then he was a TSA employee - one of the only federal agencies (perhaps *the* only?) not to have the right to unionize, or have whistle blower protections, etc.) The Senate is now poised to pass the antiterrorism bill that removes these restrictions, and Bush has promised to veto it. Do you think he will?
Posted by: Chris | Mar 8, 2007 12:30:07 PM
Sorry, didn't complete my thoughts from my earlier comment. TSA employees also don't have ADA protection, at least according to my father in law, who is a baggage handler/manager at the Tampa airport. If he's right, then the baggage handler at JFK could be fired for being unable to perform his job.
Posted by: Chris | Mar 8, 2007 12:33:48 PM
Give me an example, Fred, say from the unionization campaign in Las Vegas, where goons were used.
Give an example, Ezra, say from the KKK camps organizaion, when a lynching last occurred.
In both cases, it's been a long time, but the spectre and the threat remain a problem for both.
Posted by: Fred Jones | Mar 8, 2007 12:46:37 PM
Fred, if you're worried about history, the employers, whose predecessors hired mercenaries or used the local authorities to massacre union supporters, have more to worry about than union supporters do. Try living in the present on this; it might clear your thinking.
Posted by: Sanpete | Mar 8, 2007 1:22:33 PM
I think the study's results aren't so odd as might first appear. In cases where union certification only barely wins or loses, you can infer that there is little need for a union or what appear to workers to be good reasons for and against unionization in their own situation, suggesting that unions may not be so helpful as in other situations, and that the union will probably be weak due to weak employee support.
Posted by: Sanpete | Mar 8, 2007 1:30:30 PM
You guys make it sound like starting a business is easy and owners live in the lap of luxury from day one.
If its so freaking easy I suggest you give it a try.
Remember, ALL businesses start out as small businesses. And over 90% of small businesses fail. No harm, no foul right? Wrong. How do you think these small businesses get started? Bank loans with their homes, cars, etc as collateral.
Starting a business is very very risky. Only a fool would imply that starting a business carries the same risk as the workers face. If a worker gets fired, that much less risk than an owner losing his house and possessions from collateral loss.
Posted by: joe blow | Mar 8, 2007 2:43:45 PM
Exactly!
thank you
Posted by: Fred Jones | Mar 8, 2007 3:00:14 PM
So we just read this paper in my labor economics course and our professor said the point is exactly what Josh Bivens said, that it shows how weak manufacturing sector unions formed between 1984 and 1999 are. That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
Unfortunately, there isn't a study that is nearly as elegant on service sector unions during the same time period, as far as I know.
Posted by: Noah | Mar 8, 2007 3:41:35 PM
Y'all are just part of a criminal conspiracy to protect the mob. Unions are criminal conspiracies in restraint of trade and actively work against the interests of society. I bargain for my own wages and benefits. IF I dopn't like the deal offered, I'll leave. Everyone can do the same, without the benefit of the mob threatening to kill management if they don't submit. Stop being thugs, and maybe people will respect you, but Atrios little ditty shows that some people are doing some very illegal things and need to pay for their conspiracies.
Posted by: Hey | Mar 8, 2007 6:41:03 PM
"Coverage ratio" is the % of the total health care cost that the employer pays. At my company, which will remain very much anonymous, the coverage ratio under the union plan is 83%; the coverage ratio for the management employees' plan is 63%.
Posted by: dell | Mar 8, 2007 10:40:57 PM
The truth of the matter is if they were still needed in the minds of the public, they demand unionization as they did in times past. However, child labor is gone, over 40 hrs work week without compensation is gone, safety issues are now handled by OSHA.......the heavy lifting has been done. Liberals want unions solely for their own political benefit.
Posted by: Fred Jones | Mar 9, 2007 8:25:54 AM
Posted by: Sanpete:
"I think the study's results aren't so odd as might first appear. In cases where union certification only barely wins or loses, you can infer that there is little need for a union or what appear to workers to be good reasons for and against unionization in their own situation, suggesting that unions may not be so helpful as in other situations, and that the union will probably be weak due to weak employee support."
Or that the management waged a strong anti-union campaign, and barely won/barely lost.
Posted by: Barry | Mar 9, 2007 9:50:05 AM
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