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February 28, 2007
The Wayback Machine
Anyone remember when George Allen was the unstoppable force for the Republican nomination for president?
Good times.
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Oh, snap.
Posted by: Smurch | Feb 28, 2007 10:19:10 AM
Yeah, the Webb victory was very sweet and it gave us the Senate and all, but an alternative reality in which the inevitable mask coming off took place about 18 months later is a entertaining to contemplate as well.
Posted by: djw | Feb 28, 2007 10:22:33 AM
Good times indeed. Looking at the sorry shape of the current field, if still in the Senate he would still be the UFftRN. And wouldn't you really rather run against Bush 2 than these other Republicans who have at least a hint of moderation in them?
I mean it's great to have the Senate, and Sen. Webb is a powerful advocate, but if I could trade Sen. Webb for Sen. Ford, I'd do it.
Posted by: Tony V | Feb 28, 2007 10:23:02 AM
What -- you're sure Giuliani's going to have a macaca moment? If that's what our side is counting on, Rudy should start measuring the White House drapes now. He ran here in NYC three times and never blew up on the trail. He's a sociopath, but he's like a wife-beater who knows how to keep his temper in check (and how to actually seem charming) when the cops arrive.
Posted by: Steve M. | Feb 28, 2007 10:34:56 AM
Guiliani doesn't need to blow up on the campaign trail. He just needs to support the war. After a 6 month campaign by an opponent who will end the war Guiliani simply won't win. Hate to break it to you, but opposition to the war is really that widespread and strong. It will be a deal breaker with the majority if the U.S. Populace. Republicans will demand that he supports it and everyone else will demand that he repudiates it.
Posted by: soullite | Feb 28, 2007 10:49:23 AM
...Rudy should start measuring the White House drapes now.
I'm sure Rudy played well in NYC as a conservative. He'll get less appreciation in KS, OK, MO, AK and points west.
Posted by: CybScryb | Feb 28, 2007 10:50:37 AM
You are dreaming, Steve M.
Giuliani will never be President. From Wayne Barrett's biography:
"The father he celebrated so often was a pathological predator. His extended family harbored a junkie, a crooked cop and a murky mob wing. He dissolved his first marriage with a lie so he could appear Catholic when he remarried. The very personal jewelry his first wife found in her bedroom wasn't hers...."
McCain's people will destroy him. Just like they destroyed McCain in 2000. Same people. Harold Giuliani was a low level mob enforcer who did time in Sing Sing. Then again, this is America. Mormons and polygamy turn people off but gangsters are big box office. Barrett used to be a big Rudy fan... at one time. In any case, some Democrat is going to be in the WH in 2009.
Posted by: In your dreams | Feb 28, 2007 10:51:41 AM
Somebody already did all the oppo research for the people in both parties who want to take him out.
http://www.giulianitime.com/
Posted by: In your dreams | Feb 28, 2007 10:57:13 AM
Guilani will never become president, partly because of what went on in his police as well as NYC mayor.
Posted by: Karim | Feb 28, 2007 10:58:10 AM
I'm sure Rudy played well in NYC as a conservative. He'll get less appreciation in KS, OK, MO, AK and points west.
Hard to get more west than Alaska, with the exception of Hawaii. I believe you meant AR (Arkansas).
Actually Rudy will probably do pretty well here in the hinterlands. Most people have only seen his 9/11 moment.
Posted by: LittlePig | Feb 28, 2007 11:07:54 AM
Actually Rudy will probably do pretty well here in the hinterlands. Most people have only seen his 9/11 moment.
That may be why he's doing well now. But by the time primary day rolls around, they'll have seen a lot more if his opponents have anything to say about it. And there's a LOT more to see.
Posted by: DrBB | Feb 28, 2007 11:28:25 AM
You guys must realize, the conservatives are actually authoritarians. They will vote for whomever they are told to vote for by their superiors. Also, authoritarians want someone in office with a record of talking tough and keeping his boot firmly on the necks of "the enemy," whether they be the blacks, "illegals"/Mexicans, non-Xtians, the poor, etc. They don't care about abortion, divorce, or infidelity. That's merely a red herring thrown out their by the complicit press. They only care about preserving their privileged majority. Guiliani will win the nomination in this regard. All Republican presidents were authoritarians (Reagan, Bush41, Bush 43, Eisenhower, Nixon, Hoover, etc.); their images were always much more important to their supporters than the actuality.
I can't wait for Giuliani to win the nom, actually. Then his cross-dressing exploits can be pushed mercilessly. I can't wait for those people in Alabama and Nebraska to see Giuliani in a lavender dress looking like Dame Edna...and actually reveling in the moment.
Posted by: Delonjo | Feb 28, 2007 11:34:48 AM
I wouldn't count Rudy out. Remember, the Republiscum are craven and hypocrites. They'll all get behind Rudy because he fits what they really want. They want an authortarian leader. They will sell what little soul they have left to try to win the election.
Posted by: Ghost of Tom Joad | Feb 28, 2007 11:35:17 AM
The very personal jewelry his first wife found in her bedroom wasn't hers....
"Very personal" jewelry? The mind boggles.
Posted by: Raya | Feb 28, 2007 11:36:51 AM
Oh yeah, give us rudy. Please give us rudy.
Posted by: ice weasel | Feb 28, 2007 11:41:11 AM
Also, authoritarians want someone in office with a record of talking tough and keeping his boot firmly on the necks of "the enemy," whether they be the blacks, "illegals"/Mexicans, non-Xtians, the poor, etc
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner!
Posted by: Sharon | Feb 28, 2007 11:42:53 AM
Atrios has his own entry in the 'unstoppable force' field. Ricky and Rudy (sounds like a great gay comedy TV show name).
Posted by: JimPortlandOR | Feb 28, 2007 11:59:59 AM
Anyone remember when George Allen was the unstoppable force for the Republican nomination for president?
Wasn't Santorum on everyone's lips?
Posted by: Allen K. | Feb 28, 2007 12:09:57 PM
Dang, should've checked the Atrios link.
Posted by: Allen K. | Feb 28, 2007 12:10:41 PM
I'm still sticking with my prediction that McCain wins the Republican nomination. Yeah, Guiliani is the frontrunner now--but this primary is going to be NASTY. Guiliani won't survive it.
Posted by: Korha | Feb 28, 2007 12:15:14 PM
"Wasn't Santorum on everyone's lips?"
Ick! Don't they have a vaccine for that now?
Wash your mouth out with soap!
Posted by: CParis | Feb 28, 2007 12:23:20 PM
They will vote for whomever they are told to vote for by their superiors.
What a bizarre claim. I guess if you want to understand Republicans bitter Democrats are the ones to go to for insight.
Posted by: Sanpete | Feb 28, 2007 1:16:20 PM
"What a bizarre claim."
What's so bizarre about it? Give me another reason for the rapid rise of GWB to the presiduncy? And please don't talk about his qualifications or experience. He hadn't any then, and he hasn't any now. Authoritarians will vote for whomever Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, or James Dobson tells them to vote for. Unthinking sheep not interested in serious issues (i.e., global warming, poverty, inequality, education, disaster preparedness, etc.) but only doing what their vaunted authority figures dictate.
Also, I am not one of those liberals who believes that Dubya is as idiot. Quite the contrary, that man is a highly skilled politician in the worst vein. How else can a man who has killed and maimed untold thousands of people still be considered a "good man" by the populace? He would make mid-20th century European dictators extremely proud.
Posted by: Delonjo | Feb 28, 2007 1:53:16 PM
Give me another reason for the rapid rise of GWB to the presiduncy?
Delonjo, you appear to have two different theories, that Bush was elected because Republicans are sheep led by religious authority figures who told them who to vote for, and the other that he is a highly skilled politician. I hope you can see that you answered your own question. (I don't think he's so highly skilled, but his team of political advisors is.) Do you really think that conservatives needed Falwell and the like to tell them who best represented their views? How much thinking for yourself have you done on this topic, as opposed to just parroting a view found in some liberal groupthink?
Posted by: Sanpete | Feb 28, 2007 2:15:11 PM
About Rudy, most people only know about his 9/11 performance.
But that will change. I'm waiting for the photos of Rudy in drag to hit the deep South. You won't be able to scrape him off the floor after that.
Posted by: kim | Feb 28, 2007 2:33:22 PM
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