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January 12, 2007
Kate Michelman's Endorsement, And Abortion As A Positive Right
In the course of going all John Edwards crazy in this space every week, I've taken pains to highlight his socially liberal views. The readers of this blog are exactly the people whom I want to make aware of things like Edwards' strong support for abortion rights and his vote against the Flag Desecration Amendment. So I'm happy to tell you that Kate Michelman, for 20 years president of NARAL, has endorsed him for president.
I was interested to see Amanda tie the endorsement back to the economic issues that Edwards is better known for. Citing Michelman's comment that "he knows that most Americans in poverty are women and children", she points out that a lack of money is one of the foremost barriers to reproductive choice in this country, and expresses hopes that an Edwards Administration would try to overturn the Hyde Amendment, which prevents federal funds from being spent on abortion:
In fact, it’s somewhat tough to characterize abortion as a right when it’s only your right if you’ve got a few hundred laying around to pay for one, and since 1976, women who qualify for Medicaid are basically shit out of luck because Medicaid doesn’t cover the costs of abortion.
In comments, Robert argues that the right to an abortion doesn't mean that the government has to cover the cost of your abortion. In his view, it's similar to the right to bear arms, which doesn't commit the government to buying you guns, and the right to drink alcohol, which doesn't commit the government to buying you alcohol.
A couple things should be said in response. First, despite the fact that we don't have a right to some things -- say, fireworks on the 4th of July -- it's possible that the government should still pay for those things. In the case of fireworks, a local government might be the optimal provider because it's hard for a private business to collect money from all the people who benefit. People can see fireworks for miles around, and a private fireworks exhibitor couldn't collect money from all who benefitted. So this may be a job for government. If you think that a good government should also respond to the diminishing marginal utility of money by buying life-changing medical services for the poor, you get an argument for publically funded reproductive health care, including abortion, even if you don't think that anything called a 'right' is at stake.
But the deeper disagreement here is about whether there really is a right to have the public pay for your abortion. I'm going to spell out how the case for such a right might go.
I hope it seems fairly plausible that people have a right to publicly funded education. There's something tremendously unjust about social institutions that let the lottery of birth -- and in particular, something so removed from your own worth as the financial status of your parents -- determine whether you have any shot at prosperity. If you want to stipulate that the only rights are negative rights, you'll probably be unhappy with this conclusion. But if you want to use a notion of rights that corresponds with the things we're interested in when we talk about rights in deciding how to set up society -- rights as the things that must be protected if social arrangements are to be just -- this conclusion should seem correct to you.
We are born not only in different social circumstances, but in two genders. Just as we don't choose whether our parents will be rich or poor, we don't choose whether we'll be born to the gender in whose body a fetus can grow, or the gender whose destiny it is to be free of such troublesome entanglements. And if you're with me on the right to public education, you can see how the right to publicly funded reproductive health care takes shape. A society that allows biological differences to saddle women with a far more onerous set of burdens and obligations (which is what happens when no attempt is made to compensate for the situation) is unjust in the same way that societies with hereditary aristocracies and societies which lack public education are unjust. Giving women not only the permission but the power to control their own reproductive destiny is a straightforward way to deal with this problem. And assuming that superior remedies to the situation aren't available, this gives us the right to publicly funded abortions.
Here I ignore arguments involving the fetus' right to life, which I've dealt with before. I don't see how an organism without even the capacity for pain (as a fetus is until the third trimester) can be a bearer of rights at all. We attribute rights to creatures based on the nature of their minds, and withhold the right to life from creatures with minds far more complex than that of a first- or even second-trimester fetus.
You might think that the position I've outlined leads us down a slippery slope. If failing to compensate for inequalities of birth like different financial status and gender differences makes a society unjust, what other rights might people have? Perhaps those with congenital illnesses will even have the right to health care! As it turns out, I've always been the sort of philosopher to reach for my sled when I see a slippery slope, and I'm fairly optimistic about where this path might take us.
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Neil, there are people who are born without the ability to feel pain. Should they have no rights? Now I'm pro-choice and pro-public funding of abortion clinics and such, but that seems like a crazy position.
Posted by: Jacob | Jan 12, 2007 3:27:16 AM
You should make it more clear that she is the former head of NARAL, and not the current one.
NARAL is in the shit-can for many liberals these days, and for good reason, i.e., Lieberman and the endorsement of GOPers over pro-life Dems. They ask for money and they don't deliver...uh, much.
NARAL, today, is not worthy of financial support or moral support. Other organizations are better. This is nothing against Ms. Michelman, who is no longer there, but NARAL is radioactive...they suck right now.
Posted by: abjectfunk | Jan 12, 2007 3:31:36 AM
The argument has appeal, makes sense, but it may not be an especially useful one. It seems to me the biggest problem with this is the right to life issue. If no one cared about that, abortions would already be funded as part of Medicaid, as part of ordinary health care. There is probably a rather limited need for an argument to convince the pro-choice that abortions should be funded. Those not pro-choice won't be moved by this argument, since it will appear to them the greater right is the right to life.
A secondary consideration is that trying to understand controversial things in terms of positive rights may not be the best approach, generally. As I see it, all rights are positive in that other sense; that is, they're accorded by agreement, or implied by agreements. The argument that something controversial is a positive right is likely to be more problematic than just dealing with its good and bad points more directly, without the further complications involved in rights. But that's just a hunch that I haven't thought out much.
Posted by: Sanpete | Jan 12, 2007 3:37:13 AM
Just to add something I didn't before...NARAL endorsed LIeberman, who opposed the morning after pill being available at all hospitals. They endorsed him over Lamont, a purely pro-choice candidate. They are currently opportunists, not the advocacy group they claim to be. They are more interested in money than they are in the issue they stand for. This is wrong.
And they ask for our money. So please clarify the post. NARAL right now is not worthy of support, while Ms. Michelman certainly is. Anyone who cares about this issue should be looking to Planned Parenthood or other organizations to support.
Posted by: abjectfunk | Jan 12, 2007 3:40:54 AM
Jacob, my position ends up having the perhaps bizarre consequence that people who are completely incapable of any displeasure at all have no rights. Does it count as a defense of my position that when you present them with the prospect of their being treated in ways that would ordinarily involve rights violations, it doesn't bother them at all?
abjectfunk, I too am pretty unhappy with the way NARAL handled Lieberman and especially Chafee. It's good to remember that Michelman was not running the show at that point.
Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Jan 12, 2007 3:43:20 AM
(Jacob, I should add that if those people are capable of pleasure, I'd say they have rights.)
Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Jan 12, 2007 3:50:54 AM
If there are people who, like early-term fetuses, unable to have subjective experiences, then yes, they don't have rights. E.g. Terri Schiavo [sp].
Posted by: VeganPA | Jan 12, 2007 7:45:49 AM
Although I agree, abortion is a mother's right, as no one else has a right to deterimine, what, a healthy future is for another person's, against that person's will. However, I must point out my disdain about all the press, being given the tests for Downs Syndrom, and the availibilty of early knowledge of a Downs Syndrom child's existence.
I, wish to encourage those conidering an abortion, solely on the evidence of Downs Syndrom being present, to reconsider, as, Downs Syndrom, is not that bad a life for the person with Downs Syndrom, that one should consider it mercy to spare a child from living with this condition.
If expense is a question, then God forbid, a way cannot be found to assist, those with Downs Syndrom, in growing up into a positive environment, free of social stigma, and igonorant prejudice guiding their lifestyle choices. So, please do not think it kind to erase a person's existence, solely on having Downs Syndrom being present in their birth, and in their following life, as, this life can be beautiful, and you might be erasing the next, Special Olympics, champion. This would be like sparing Lance Armstrong his distress in having cancer, so as to keep life happy for him, as this is more important, to me, than, is his victories, on a bicycle, which are not ever going to be any part of my own glory.
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Posted by: Mark Robert Gates | Jan 12, 2007 8:09:56 AM
Actually, the "negative vs positive" rights thing is pretty much obselete.
The real way to think about it is that the government has the responsibility to RESPECT, PROTECT, and PROVIDE for all basic human rights. Note that this system of analysis means that private actors are responsible for doing their best to fulfill rights, as well. So the "provide" thing comes in if a person is incapable of any other means of fulfilling the right.
For example, for the right to housing, the government should not engage in arbitrary "urban renewal" that involves massive slum clearing. (Respect). The government should regulate private landlords so that renters have some protection. (Protect). The government should provide subsided housing for the poor. (Provide).
You can go through a similar set of examples with each set of rights. For example, speech would be about 1st amendment protection, FCC regulations, and public access TV.
Both Political and Civil (traditional "positive" rights) and Economic, Social, and Cultural rights (traditional negative rights) can be analyzed this way.
If abortion is, indeed, a right, as I believe it is, then the government has a responsibility to pay for it if there is no way that a person will obtain it any other way.
Posted by: Dan | Jan 12, 2007 11:27:55 AM
Abortion a "right?" You must have a funny idea of a "right." I am a Catholic. For smart people like you to go around and call abortion a right? No wonder we Catholics are pissed off.
How can people oppose war, poverty, genocide and the destruction of the environment and not see abortion as wrong also is a mystery to me.
Posted by: Jim O'Leary | Jan 12, 2007 1:49:18 PM
How can people oppose war, poverty, genocide and the destruction of the environment and not see abortion as wrong also is a mystery to me.
How people can endorse war, ignore poverty and genocide and participate in the destruction of the environment while harping relentlessly upon the topic of abortion is a mystery to me, Mr. O'Leary.
I suppose that on the surface of it, only those who oppose the taking of any life in all situations can be morally consistent.
Personally, I don't see a "right" to an abortion. However, I do see an innate right for women to have unfettered reproductive choice. It is this right that the US government should respect and protect, and the lack of such a choice for which it should provide remedy.
Posted by: Stephen | Jan 12, 2007 2:40:43 PM
Neil has assigned rights to life based upon one's ability to feel pain and, more generally, upon intelligence.
Everyone uses what is to their advantage when assigning rights. Bullies in the school yard are always big and tough because it's to their advantage to value brawn. Neil seems reasonably intelligent so it's to his advantage to value smarts when doling out the rights.
This is a prime example of why the founding documents of the US looks to a higher power than government to assign rights. It's specifically because of people like Neil who would value what is to his advantage at the expense of others.
Posted by: Fred Jones | Jan 12, 2007 2:43:27 PM
Yes, Fred! My great strength is my capacity to feel pain! Left unchecked, my pain-susceptibility would destroy you!
Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Jan 12, 2007 4:32:03 PM
Thanks, Stephen, for giving this some thought. I don't understand how "the unfettered right of reproductive choice" is different from the right to abortion. Please explain.
Posted by: Jim O'Leary | Jan 12, 2007 4:43:32 PM
Left unchecked, my pain-susceptibility would destroy you!
Probably true. He eats fire, you know.
Posted by: Sanpete | Jan 12, 2007 5:12:27 PM
Whoops. Got that backwards. Oh well.
Posted by: Sanpete | Jan 12, 2007 5:14:27 PM
I'm happy to tell you that Kate Michelman, for 20 years president of NARAL, has endorsed him for president.
That actually means a lot to me, and makes it much more likely that I'll support Edwards ... almost certain, in fact. He's quickly shaping up as the candidate of choice for progressives, especially when you consider the competition:
Hillary (plbth)
Obama (meh)
Biden (yeah right)
Vilsack (ditto)
Dodd (what?)
Edwards looking very, very good.
Posted by: Jason J. | Jan 12, 2007 8:44:33 PM
Oh boy, you're on qualudes if you think a Hyde Amendment repeal would ever pass. In fact, even if the votes were there to pass a single payer healh care system that paid for everything-- abortion would be specifically excepted from coverage. Otherwise, you wouldn't get a single Southern senator to vote for it, and damn few Catholic ones.
There's an enormous differnce between respecting (or more precisely, tolerating) someone's right, and to endorse it by subsidizing their actions with taxpayer funds. It's astonishing so many liberals still don't realize how stupid it was for the NEA to fund artists who created works (Piss Christ, the Robert Mapplethorpe pics) that were so offensive to a large number of taxpayers. Nobody disputes an artist's right to do whatever they want, but no one has a constitutional right to a government check. As a consequence, a Republican wedge issue was created for no good reason.
If Democrats insist that Medicaid (or Medicare For All) include abortion coverage, all they'll do is torpedo political support for government funded health care. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if health insurers and Big Pharma fund an astroturf group, Americans For Free Abortions, to lobby for just that result. Would kill health reform for another 10 years.
Posted by: beowulf | Jan 13, 2007 3:03:14 AM
My great strength is my capacity to feel pain!
I wish you could feel some right now.....a LOT of pain
Posted by: Fred Jones | Jan 13, 2007 10:17:14 AM
Jim,
Making this about abortion means that some people some people support abortion and some don't. That doesn't come close to describing what's actually going on. There are a lot of women in this country who would never have an abortion, regardless of the circumstances, yet believe that the right to reproductive choice must be protected and even expanded.
For example, my wife told me during both her pregnancies that if there ever was a situation in which the fetus could survive only at the expense of her life, then that is what she wants. She would not have an abortion for any reason other than a situation in which the fetus will die and so will she. I can respect that, because if our house were to catch on fire and our children were trapped inside, I would attempt to rescue them even if it meant my death.
But my wife's personal feelings about abortion - she is completely "against" it - don't mean that she now must impose those feelings and beliefs upon other women. There are many reasons for abortion, "birth control" being the very least of them all. So for the rape victim, the desperately poor, the woman who makes an honest assessment of herself and concludes that she simply cannot raise a child, for these women and others my wife supports not abortion, but the right to make a choice about abortion.
I hope you understand this is not about dodging the issue or making justifications. There are many people in this world who do not have the resources we have, or who have had experiences we just don't know about. That's the basis for our thinking.
Posted by: Stephen | Jan 13, 2007 11:01:39 AM
Let me get this straight. Ezra wants the fed to pick up costs of abortions, yet he is also constantly bitching about the high cost of healthcare.
Do your research man. Abortions are the #1 type of surgery on women in america, far outnumbering any other type of procedure. Number fucking one. Do you have any idea how much all those abortions are going to cost on the taxpayer's dime?
Posted by: joe blow | Jan 14, 2007 1:19:07 PM
joe -- a heck of a lot less than caring for the children.
Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Jan 14, 2007 2:01:05 PM
Do your research man. Abortions are the #1 type of surgery on women in america, far outnumbering any other type of procedure.
Really? Huh. That's weird, 'cause women account for a majority of all inpatient and outpatient procedures in the USA - 58%. And in 1996, for example, there were 31,500,000 outpatient procedures, meaning that women accounted for 18,270,000 of them. Also that year, there were 1,360,000 abortions. I know these are big numbers, but I can tell you that 1,360,000 is not a majority of 18,270,000.
In 2002, there were 1,290,000 abortions, continuing the trend of less abortions - oh wait, until the GOP took control of the federal government and started to cut off funding for things like rational sex ed and access to birth control.
I would suggest that you do your research, but I'm pretty sure that you would just come back with as much bullshit as before.
Posted by: Stephen | Jan 15, 2007 2:14:43 AM
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