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November 07, 2006
Irrational Voters And The Pundits Who Don't Love Them
Bryan Caplan's essay exploding the "myth" of the rational voter points out a series of facts I agree with and comes to a series of conclusions I'm skeptical of. Obviously I, like most coastal-bred elitists, don't think voters make terribly good decisions. But I also don't think economic actors are particularly rational. Bryan does. And that's where we part: I look at the savings rate, the economic decisions of those with the most acute financial vulnerability, the findings of behavioral economics, and conclude that folks aren't particularly rational, and a bit of asymmetric paternalism goes a long way.
As for his proposals to insulate fiscal policymakers from public opprobrium, creating a sort of economic Supreme Court, that appears an obvious non-starter. Setting aside questions of controversial economic policy (economist actually disagree on a lot of things), it's obviously unfeasible. At some point, appointments will have to be made, and as we've seen in the Supreme Court, the resentment built up during in the interregnum hyperpoliticizes the process during the few moments of electoral input.
Rather than trying to ineffectually chalk out corners where democracy can't go, if you feel voters are working off incomplete or distorted information, it would seem the place to concentrate is on improving or enlarging their knowledge base, not ignoring their preferences. Elites, after all, already ignore their preferences, and rarely lose a fight to popular opinion. But if the disconnect concerns you, there are surely ways to better educate, or at least persuade, the populace. Bringing the contempt of technocrats and their desire to de-democratize into sharper focus will only further estrange them from the public, possibly with disastrous results.
And one last thing. Bryan singles out religion as a place "where irrationality seems especially pronounced." This gets said occasionally, and it's poppycock. It might be factually wrong to believe in God, but it's certainly not irrational (using rational here in the economic sense, as an action that maximizes your utility). Studies universally find that religious belief and participation offer positive returns for individual health, happiness, finances, personal satisfaction, etc. Obviously, the causality is unclear, and probably has a lot to do with social involvement and capital, but since few have suggested more direct routes to network building, becoming religious and taking advantage of belief's institutions and side benefits is perfectly, totally rational. Indeed, not doing so is the stranger course of action.
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"It might be factually wrong to believe in God, but it's certainly not irrational."
Yes it is. Why is it not irrational to believe in some unseen, unheard spirit? Is it rational of me to believe there's an invisible giant pink unicorn in my living room?
Posted by: KevinA | Nov 7, 2006 4:30:34 PM
Because the common definition of a rational action (at least as economists use it) is that it maximizes your utility. Believing in the flying spaghetti monster and attending His delicious services does so.
Posted by: Ezra | Nov 7, 2006 4:35:35 PM
I'd probably go with you as far as "religious belief does not have to be irrational, is not necessarily irrational just qua rational belief". But surely some forms are.
And the fact that it happens to be beneficial is a bit of a red herring; there is no belief so unquestionably irrational that it *might* not lead you to do something that happens to be beneficial to you. (E.g. I believe that 2 is an odd number. I also believe that odd numbers hate me. And I believe the number 2 is trying to keep me from eating my multivitamins. As a result, I always take my multivitamins. That does not seem to vindicate the rationality of the motivating beliefs).
Remember that a far earlier criterion of rationality is: proportioning your beliefs to your evidence. (In fact, that seems to me the *better* definition of rationality for theoretical belief; yours might be more apropos for practical rationality). And on that criterion, some religious belief is irrrational.
Posted by: kid bitzer | Nov 7, 2006 4:49:45 PM
Rather than trying to ineffectually chalk out corners where democracy can't go, if you feel voters are working off incomplete or distorted information, it would seem the place to concentrate is on improving or enlarging their knowledge base, not ignoring their preferences.
But our system is designedly, intentionally, and IMO wisely DESIGNED to create lots of "places where (national) democracy can't go." That's the point of designated powers and of the Bill of Rights.
Posted by: SamChevre | Nov 7, 2006 5:12:33 PM
i am probably the worst kind of voter...the intuitive kind. ultimately, my impressions and sense of a person's character generally guide my thinking and affect my voting choices.
...i will listen to them speak for a while and base my sense of them, more on what i feel about them and less about what they are saying or writing...
...the old adage comes to mind...believe half of what you see and nothing that you hear.
....i bet there are lots more like me out there also.
.....whenever i go to vote now, i remember being a chld in the fifties and going with my mother to a little white wood church...there were leaves with some lovely leaves still hanging on...and the voting booths were in the church basement. they always had a cake sale happening there...it is really a precious memory of my first times going to vote.
.....i also have many happy memories with my own children of elections and trying to teach them to participate in them, and see the importance in being informed and casting a vote.
.......as for religion and well-being...how can one not feel more settled in the darkest moments of their lives, believing that there are angels nearby and that prayers are heard...that there is something in the universe that bends compassionately to find us and listen to us. what a great blessing it is to have faith and hope and the belief in miracles.
Posted by: jacqueline | Nov 7, 2006 5:14:57 PM
It's just really hard to feel that Matt isn't doing this entirely because he knows the result of trying to institutionalize elite opinion, would be to remove elitist opinions altogether.
If you don't believe in Democracy, just say so. Pretending you do only so you can undermine is beyond disgusting. I've said it repeatedly. PRetending Economics is a real science is a sin of the Elite. It's not Biology and it's not Physics. It's flawed and biased and it's laws aren't natural, because markets have to be organized by men and not the basic forces of the universe. Politics is superior to economics, because what we all say must always carry more wieght than what a few rich old men say.
If you disagree with that, you don't believe in democracy. That's not an insult, it's a basic fact. If you think that people must be saved from themselves you can't believe in democracy. Saving ourselves is exactly what democracy has always been about.
Posted by: Soullite | Nov 7, 2006 5:23:44 PM
Christ, Why does this site have to look exactly like that of Matt Yglesias. So I actually haven't said those things a million times on this site, and change Matt to Ezra Klein.
Posted by: Soullite | Nov 7, 2006 5:26:24 PM
Erza Klein, your argument just shows it can be rational to pretend to believe in God.
Posted by: James B. Shearer | Nov 7, 2006 5:40:58 PM
I am skeptical of the deliciousness of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, based on the many unappealing plates of spaghetti I have consumed. Yet if I instead choose to believe in a Jumping Rigatoni Monster (With Pesto) I don't think that I'll gain maximum utility since while I will increase the deliciousness, I will decrease the number of true believers with whom I can network and from whom I can achieve maximum social benefits. So I face the choice of trying to convince others to join me in worshiping the Jumping Rigatoni Monster (With Pesto), or else in just believing and preaching that the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not sport a tomato sauce, but rather a delicious coating of pesto. Schism time!
Posted by: collin | Nov 7, 2006 5:49:52 PM
Ezra confuses rationality of preferences with rationality of beliefs. Usefulness of a belief isn't evidence for its truth.
Posted by: KH | Nov 7, 2006 5:57:49 PM
Rationality conditions on preferences are a separate matter from the decision rule. Economic rationality has to do the consistency of preferences (e.g., transitivity). Epistemic rationality is a whle other matter, pragmatic considerations notwithstanding.
Posted by: KH | Nov 7, 2006 6:03:56 PM
But I also don't think economic actors are particularly rational. Bryan does.
This isn't the kind of rationality he seems to be talking about in this piece. I wonder if the two of you really disagree on this, in any case. Economic rationality is constrained by information/comprehension, and I'd guess you both accept that there is weakness of will and other complications.
the fact that it happens to be beneficial is a bit of a red herring; there is no belief so unquestionably irrational that it *might* not lead you to do something that happens to be beneficial to you.
Kid b, unlike the example you give, religion really is beneficial in the real world to believers on the whole (as far as we can tell), whereas the example you give isn't. Many people believe in religion because they feel (in some sense) it best for themselves and others, so it's a rational choice for them in the sense Ezra is concerned with, which is the kind relevant to practical rationality. He didn't say anything about all religion, only religion on the whole.
Posted by: Sanpete | Nov 7, 2006 7:05:07 PM
Studies universally find that religious belief and participation offer positive returns for individual health, happiness, finances, personal satisfaction, etc.
First, which studies?
Second, when it comes to beliefs, it's understood that rationality is philosophical, not economic. Believing something is rational if there is sound evidence based on good logic for it, not if it's beneficial to you.
Third, it's telling that when explaining why voters are irrational, Caplan neglects the elephant in the room: his anti-government friends have worked hard to convince the people that their hard-earned tax money all goes to welfare queens and African dictators.
Posted by: Alon Levy | Nov 7, 2006 8:22:22 PM
First, which studies?
Here's one I read a few years ago, a review of the medical literature.
Second, when it comes to beliefs, it's understood that rationality is philosophical, not economic.
Except when it isn't. I agree if your point is that Caplan was talking about what you call philosophical rationality (sometimes called theoretical rationality), but Ezra's point is also an important one. Belief is an act, and like any act, it can be rational in the practical sense or not. That's at least as important as whether it's rational in the other way. (Arguably it's more important, or at least more fundamental in practical choice, where value is relevant.)
Posted by: Sanpete | Nov 7, 2006 9:37:06 PM
I just got off the phone with my Leftie college buddie in Seattle. Sounds like you have the same "definition" of irrational: Not agreeing with you == irrational.
Posted by: Guy Montag | Nov 7, 2006 9:49:05 PM
Sampete is distinguishing epistemic criteria (which describe the relation between a empirical belief & the part of the world it purports to describe) from pragmatic ones (which describe the relation between the belief & the believer & his purposes). Fine, but rationality with respect to belief idiomatically refers to the former. Check any textbook on practical reason, philosophy of science or epistemology. The usefulness of a belief is always relative to a purpose or situation, & provides no warrant for believing it's true, or rational. Alon Levy (& I) are right.
Posted by: KH | Nov 7, 2006 9:51:52 PM
The usefulness of a belief is always relative to a purpose or situation, & provides no warrant for believing it's true, or rational. Alon Levy (& I) are right.
Right about what? Ezra makes the same distinction you just outlined. He doesn't claim (as you seem to have thought he did) that usefulness gives evidentiary warrant, only practical warrant. The point you're right about, if this is what you meant, is that Caplan was talking about theoretical rationality, not practical rationality, so it was wrong for Ezra to contradict him as though he meant the latter. But Ezra's point about the practical rationality of religious belief is correct. Are we on the same page yet?
Posted by: Sanpete | Nov 7, 2006 10:34:32 PM
"Obviously, the causality is unclear, and probably has a lot to do with social involvement and capital, but since few have suggested more direct routes to network building, "
I've been thinking along these lines lately - the need for institutions/more formalized networks/social foci/etc. that are non-religious and non-governmental. Yeah, there are secular-y religious/philosophical groups like the Ethical Culture folks and such, but that ends up in direct competition with established religion, and I'm thinking more along the lines of things existing in parallel, and entirely open to people also participating in religious networks . .
Posted by: Dan S. | Nov 8, 2006 9:32:57 AM
Posted by: Ezra | Nov 7, 2006 1:35:35 PM Because the common definition of a rational action (at least as economists use it) is that it maximizes your utility. Believing in the flying spaghetti monster and attending His delicious services does so.
Note that this is certainly the definition of rational action as traditional marginalist economists use it, and at the same time it is certainly not the most common sense of the term. After all, using terms that sound like they mean one thing to the untutored ear but which mean something different to the technically trained ear is a tremendously useful thing if you wish to push laugh-out-loud funny arguments with a straight face.
A common meaning of the term would be more like, consistent with or based on or using reason. "rational behavior"; "a process of rational inference"; "rational thought". Obviously the marginalist economist's definition is a proper subset of the common meaning of the term.
Belief in God is rational in the sense of "consistent with reason", so long as the God that one believes in created or participates in a Universe that at least partly makes sense. Obviously belief in God is obviously not based on reason, and the difference between the two senses of the word "rational" could, for example, fill the tense time while waiting for election results to come in.
Posted by: BruceMcF | Nov 8, 2006 11:32:54 AM
"But I also don't think economic actors are particularly rational."
?? Didn't you just say the other day that people were cold calculating rational actors?
Posted by: DRR | Nov 8, 2006 3:47:41 PM
Stop with the italics.
Posted by: Sanpete | Nov 8, 2006 4:15:48 PM
Guess I didn't do it right. Oh well.
Posted by: Sanpete | Nov 8, 2006 4:18:45 PM
So I'm a religious person, and I believe that George W. Bush was chosen by God, and everything he does is right for that reason, and I am unemployed and poor and go to church, and they tell me the reason for my condition is that Americans have rejected God, and I should vote for the good Christian because he wants to bring God back and by so doing fix everything. So when George's (and therefore God's) enemies tell me to vote for the candidate who will raise the minimum wage, protect social security, create jobs by investing in infrastructure and alternative energy, blah blah blah, facts facts facts, I ignore them and vote for George and his people.
Rational? Maximizing of my utility? Poppycock!
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