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September 23, 2006

Fair and Balanced Indeed

Here's how Fox is promoting Chris Wallace's interview with Bill Clinton, where Wallace gets positively eviscerated after trying to jump the Big Dawg on terrorism:

Can you imagine Fox labeling an impassioned speech by Bush defending his attempts to protect the country before 9/11 (including ignoring the August 6th PDB) as "crazed"? How, for instance, did Fox news sell this remarkable performance?

September 23, 2006 | Permalink

Comments

Are you implying that FOX News is somehow unfair or unbalanced?

Of course they are. What beats the hell out of me is why it's worthy of comment at this point. It's dog bites man. They're a crap factory; they've always been a crap factory; they'll always be a crap factory. Aren't there other things we should be focusing on in the next 45 days?

Posted by: RonThompson | Sep 23, 2006 3:09:54 PM

Why not go to the source instead of some left-wing web-site.

It is possible FoxNews changed the headline in the last few hours, but I doubt it. Pressure from some left wing blog won't affect FoxNews.

I am not excusing bad behavior by pointing out bad behavior (because I haven't seen the alleged headline except on a left-wing blog), but where was the outrage when CNN titled jpegs of Bush "asshole.jpg" etc.? CNN apologized for that.

FoxNews, The Number One Name in News. America's Most Trusted News Source. FoxNews, More Watched than CNN, MSNBC and Headline News Combined!

Posted by: Captain Toke | Sep 23, 2006 3:50:42 PM

Where is the outrage at YouTube's title:

"Bill Clinton Freaks Out"

Shut YouTube down! YouTube lied, People died!

Posted by: Captain Toke | Sep 23, 2006 3:55:07 PM

oh please like CNN is liberal rather than sensationalistic- I know you smoke pot, but are slipping LSD in there too?

Posted by: akaison | Sep 23, 2006 3:55:57 PM

If you want me to make you look stupid again, akaison, I can.

Check this out.

"A photograph of President and Mrs. Bush featured in online election coverage by AOL Time Warner companies uses a graphic slur in the coding of the picture.

The photo, which appeared on a Netscape site co-branded with CNN, originally was slugged a--hole.jpg as identified when viewers clicked on the "properties" of the picture."

Oh, I know. I am making shit up again.

Why don't you pay attention, akaison. You wouldn't look like an idiot.

Posted by: Captain Toke | Sep 23, 2006 4:16:30 PM

If you want me to make you look stupid again, akaison, I can.

Check this out.

"A photograph of President and Mrs. Bush featured in online election coverage by AOL Time Warner companies uses a graphic slur in the coding of the picture.

The photo, which appeared on a Netscape site co-branded with CNN, originally was slugged a--hole.jpg as identified when viewers clicked on the "properties" of the picture."

Oh, I know. I am making shit up again.

Why don't you pay attention, akaison. You wouldn't look like an idiot.

Posted by: Captain Toke | Sep 23, 2006 4:16:30 PM

Sorry about the double-post. Must be the acid.

Or maybe I am just seeing a double-post, kinda like tracers.

Posted by: Captain Toke | Sep 23, 2006 4:26:02 PM

Capt- Unlike other people- I wont pretend that you have anything resembling the ablility to think for yourself. So, in that regard, I say 'bah, bah, baaaah." It's the languge of sheep. The only language that you and most of the modern conservative bowel movement understand. peace and sunshine.

Posted by: akaison | Sep 23, 2006 4:29:59 PM

Where is the outrage at YouTube's title:

"Bill Clinton Freaks Out"

Shut YouTube down! YouTube lied, People died!

Is there anything so stupid that Toke won't say it to grovel before his Republican masters? I think not. The Youtube title is ONE GUY, who picked that title, not a television network. So yammering on about YouTube is a stupid false equivalence. Of course, Toke is a dedicated liar, so stupid false equivalence is really a step up for him.

Posted by: paperwight | Sep 23, 2006 4:33:29 PM

Toke, again, is misrepresenting a story, except (unlike so many other times), he actually provide a link:

Here are some more grafs from the WorldNet Daily Article to which Toke Links:

A spokesman for CNN, Matt Furman, said the network had nothing to do with the slur.

"It was an image produced by an employee of another company," he told WND. "We didn't know anything about it and had nothing to do with it.

"Most importantly, it was never on CNN.com. … It's our picture, but it never appeared on our site."

The image did appear, however, on cnn.netscape.cnn.com, which is labeled as "Netscape network news with CNN."

A further statement from CNN reads: "A Web image and text disparaging President and Mrs. Bush currently circulating on the Internet was not created, disseminated or posted by CNN at any time, as is alleged. It was done by an employee of Netscape and posted on Netscape.com. CNN had no knowledge of it until it surfaced on other websites."

Andrew Weinstein, a spokesman for Netscape, reiterated the fact CNN itself had nothing to do with the slur. He says the Netscape employee responsible has been fired.

"A junior employee at Netscape identified two election photos with image tags that used inappropriate, disparaging terms," Weinstein told WorldNetDaily. "As soon as the situation was discovered, it was immediately corrected, and the employee has been terminated."

He said Netscape apologizes to CNN and "anyone else offended in this matter."

So, contra what Toke wrote, even according to WND, CNN had nothing to do with it, and apologized anyway. Netscape immediately terminated the junior employee who had done it.

Any bets on whether Fox apologizes to President Clinton? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Posted by: paperwight | Sep 23, 2006 4:37:21 PM

The Youtube title is ONE GUY, who picked that title, not a television network.

One should note, to head off the inevitable stupidity from Toke, that the ONE GUY in question is just some random guy who uploaded the video, who could even be Toke himself.

It's not YouTube, or any other news organization. Good lord, Toke's a dumbass.

Posted by: paperwight | Sep 23, 2006 4:39:26 PM

What beats the hell out of me is why it's worthy of comment at this point. It's dog bites man.

Amen. If Bill O'Reilly bites Terri Gross, that isn't news. If Terri Gross bites Bill O'Reilly, that is news. I guess.

Posted by: Sanpete | Sep 23, 2006 4:45:37 PM

paperwight, why would CNN apologize for something they had nothing to do with? It was on cnn.netscape.cnn or whatever. I'd say that has a lot to do with CNN.

What about CNN and the X over Cheney's face?

"CNN has apologized for a "technical malfunction" that briefly flashed a black "X" mark over the face of Vice President Dick Cheney during the network's coverage of a speech Monday."

CNN does a lot of apologizing.

And there are other TV sources that say it couldn't have been a technical glitch.

Go to FoxNews.com and tell me what the title says, idiot! I even posted a link for you you so you don't have to think to hard. I'll believe the FoxNews cite before I believe a left-wing blog!

As far as YouTube, I am sure the "YouTube lied, People died!" quote filled you in that I was making fun of you guys with that.

Oh, I guess it didn't. And you call me stupid. I can out think you blistered stoned.

Boy, you guys get viscious after you get verbally spanked.

FoxNews Channel, America's Number One Choice for News.

Posted by: Captain Toke | Sep 23, 2006 4:53:37 PM

i would stick around here just for the entertainment!!
what funny comments! thank you for making me laugh!
peace and sunshine to all of you too!
really!

Posted by: jacqueline | Sep 23, 2006 5:15:07 PM

Well, I watched both perfomances and here's the difference: Bush is holding a press conference and explaining his current position and pointing out specifics. Clinton, on the other hand, is not pointing out specifics, but instead, using emotional language to salvage his reputation. he should have tried harder when he was in office.

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 23, 2006 5:31:54 PM

Methinks Clinton protests too much.

Posted by: Captain Toke | Sep 23, 2006 5:41:57 PM

Modern Republicanism: the Party that believes in personal responsibility- so long its the other guy. Last I checked- Bush is President now. When does the buck stop at the door of your people? God, for a party claiming to care about personality ability of everyone else you certainly spend a large amount of time whining and running away from your own actions.

Posted by: akaison | Sep 23, 2006 6:11:50 PM

ps

One other thing- to use Clinton when talking about Bush's Presidency is just a little bizzare. It's like the last 6 years never happened. I mean come Nov and the coming elections you may wish they hadn't, but seriously, Bush is in charge now right? Does the buck stop with him or who are you going to blame next- I know- Carter.

Posted by: akaison | Sep 23, 2006 6:14:00 PM

okay- I swear this is the last one- but I just want to point out that your lack of moral responsibility for the shit you do- is frankly amazing.

Posted by: akaison | Sep 23, 2006 6:15:21 PM

What is your little rant about, akaison? Are you that upset that you've been shown the fool again?

If you're gonna go on a rant, cite examples of what you are talking about or you'll be seen as a blathering fool.

Posted by: Captain Toke | Sep 23, 2006 7:30:08 PM

Posted by: Captain Toke | Sep 23, 2006 12:50:42 PM
It is possible FoxNews changed the headline in the last few hours, but I doubt it. Pressure from some left wing blog won't affect FoxNews.

And yet, they changed the headline.

I am not excusing bad behavior by pointing out bad behavior (because I haven't seen the alleged headline except on a left-wing blog), but where was the outrage when ...

Gosh, does CT work for faux news?

FoxNews, The Number One Name in News. America's Most Trusted News Source. FoxNews, More Watched than CNN, MSNBC and Headline News Combined!

Of course, at one time that was "watched by almost twice as many as...", I wonder what happened?

Prime Time:
FOX Aug 2005: 2,093,000; Aug 2006: 1,511,000. 28% drop
CNN Aug 2005: 748,000; Aug 2006: 902,000. 21% increase
MSNBC Aug 2005: 349,000; Aug 2006: 371,000. 6% increase

Oh, one in four Faux news viewers dropped out. Of course, in the 25-54 demographic, they have already lost their "watched by more than XYZ combined tag", and have to rely on "watched by more"

The Scoreboard: Thursday, Sept. 21
25-54 demographic: (LS)
Total day: FNC: 301 | CNN: 195 | MSNBC: 119 | HLN: 111 | CNBC: 48; so CNN+MSNBC= 314

Prime: FNC: 439 | CNN: 281 | MSNBC: 179 | HLN: 178 | CNBC: 42; so CNN+MSNBC= 460.

On current trends, the claim is going to shift to "Watched by more than CNN, HLN and CNBC combined". And indeed, we can be confident that they will likely continue to be "watched by more than HLN and CNBC combined".

Posted by: BruceMcF | Sep 23, 2006 7:46:36 PM

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 23, 2006 2:31:54 PM
Well, I watched both perfomances and here's the difference: Bush is holding a press conference and explaining his current position and pointing out specifics. Clinton, on the other hand, is not pointing out specifics, but instead, using emotional language to salvage his reputation. he should have tried harder when he was in office.

Bill Clinton points out the fact that many of the same people using the conservative fantasies embedded in the Path to 9/11 to question where he did enough are the same people who during his administration were accusing him of obsessing about OBL and trying to overinflate the threat posed by Al-Qaeda.

As you will recall, the "terror threat" was a Clinton plot to help out Gore, given George W's complete lack of foreign policy experience or aptitude.

He also points out the fact that he tried, and Bush completely failed to try until after 9/11.

Now, out in the real world, Bush was the one with the clear chance to catch OBL who let it slip through his fingers.

Posted by: BruceMcF | Sep 23, 2006 7:58:33 PM

Two quotes are all you really need to know:

1. Prior to 9/11: Paul Wolfowitz to Richard Clarke: "You give Bin Laden too much credit".

2. After 9/11 and his pledge to get Bin Laden *dead or alive*: GWB about OBL during press conference: "I don't know where he is. I just don't spend that much time on him".

But remember, it's the Democrats who aren't serious about national security.

Posted by: Lewis Carroll | Sep 23, 2006 9:33:34 PM

Another amazing thread.

If one does not agree with the Leftists, he is using "talking points" which, of course, is a method that the Left seems to claim copyright to.

Somehow, when Gen. (Ret.) Wesley Clark was reciting the Communist Manifesto during his primary election campaigns, the Leftists were not pointing out his talking points usage. Now that he is spouting them as a Fox News Network employee, he seems to be immune from Leftist criticism too.

Have I just not looked enough for this criticism, or for that matter, any positive words from the Left about FNN hiring that guy?

The Clinton interview should be interesting, but having hysterical outbursts when trying to explain one’s actions smacks of misdirection, no matter who is doing it. National Socialist Pat Buchanan is a non-Democrat who comes to mind whenever this topic comes up.

Posted by: Guy Montag | Sep 24, 2006 8:20:45 AM

again- when does the right take responsibility for the last 6 years? All talking aside on both sides- I find the lack of moral responsibility for their actiosn by the right who won in 2000, 2002 and 2004 - fascinating. When does it become your responsibility for what happens on your watch?

Posted by: akaison | Sep 24, 2006 1:15:19 PM

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