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June 02, 2006

Should I Heart Charles Murray?

I'm deeply puzzled by Harry Brighouse's laudatory review of Charles Murray's income transfer scheme from In Our Hands. I've written on the book before, both in a review (of sorts) for The New Republic and on this blog. Suffice to say: we are not amused.

The problem with Murray's scheme -- he liquidates the welfare state and instead offers every American a $10,000 annual check, which gets clawed back to $5,000 if you make more than $50,000 -- is that it, uh, wouldn't work. For instance -- Murray requires that you spend $3,000 a year on health insurance. If you start paying that into the system when you're 20, you can negotiate it so your price won't rise when you're 80. One problem: you can't do that. The footnote for this part of the plan is pretty laughable. Murray got the number from the head of Cigna who then admitted that he would never in fact offer such a plan, because who knows what'll happen to health costs down the road. But the entire viability of Murray's plan is based on that guarantee, which doesn't exist. And thus the foundation crumbles...

Nor does The Plan make financial sense. It keeps up with inflation, but isn't changed for cost of living, or needs, or anything else. This will work because Murray believes The Plan will usher in a consumerist utopia that'll force down health costs, cut growth, and convince us to effectively ration care. To be sure, it will do the last -- folks won't be able to afford care, and they won't get it. That is rationing, at least of sorts. But whether Murray simply misunderstands the fundamental drivers of health spending or is ignoring them, The Plan's $10,000 sum would rapidly become inadequate. Lucky thing, then, that it's been ratified into the Constitution, and all other government transfer schemes have been rendered unconstitutional.

That's not to say his proposal lacks any merit. It would be good if we gave all poor folks $10,000 of discretionary cash a year, and better if we forced them to have bank accounts to receive it. But the plan is a massively ineffective -- and inadequate -- replacement for most portions of the entitlement state. Its primary financial proposal, the health care mandate, disintegrates under examination. The money is inefficiently allocated with only the barest feint at progressivity, and there's next to no effort to seriously grapple with coming fiscal realities, the benefits of collective action, or the need for serious risk pooling. I don't understand Harry's level of positivity towards the book, nor his decision to accuse it's left-leaning critics of lacking intellectual seriousness. I'm a fan of basic income guarantees, but not at the expense of necessary functions of the welfare state. Murray is forcing an either/or choice, and serious progressives would be foolish to buy into it. Give me a plan that's $10,000, plus universal health care, funded through transparent means, and ratchets back in a more intelligent way, and we'll talk. As it is, I prize workability, and Murray's proposal doesn't have it.

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They're counting on the fact that most Americans don't do math very well anymore and will just get $$$ in their eyes at the prospect of a $10k check every year that they can spend on lottery tickets and slim jims.

Posted by: Andrew | Jun 2, 2006 12:48:32 PM

I am glad someone capable has taken Harry on. I didn't even attempt to respond on the thread. Being intellectually unserious, I simply don't trust Murray as far as I can throw him, and assume since his intentions are callous and selfish there must be a catch.

Posted by: bob mcmanus | Jun 2, 2006 12:53:32 PM

Ezra,

A rather OT query:

How do public/private healthcare societies like France deal with folks carrying little or no private insurance, who then get a serious disease and then want to purchase top-notch healthcare?

Is the dynamic the same as here, where pre-existing conditions would preclude one from getting insurance expect at prohibitive rates? Or is the dynamic different for some reason I don't perceive.

Posted by: Petey | Jun 2, 2006 1:08:35 PM

Thing is, I don't want my taxes to pay for someone's lottery tickets, cigarettes, and so forth. A well-run* government program at least insures that most of the money gets spent on actual necessities. And I just don't see the private sector doing much other than lining their own pockets with as much "free money" as they can grab.

[* The current administration seems to have engaged in a search-and-destroy effort on such programs. A key part of eliminating support for social programs is fostering the attitude that government is incompetent to administer them. cough Katrina cough cough]

Posted by: modus potus | Jun 2, 2006 3:09:33 PM

Who is "We"?

Don't you just love it when a journalist who most likely doesn't have any money starts talking about how much money "we" should be giving to the "poor"?

"It would be good if we gave all poor folks $10,000 of discretionary cash a year, and better if we forced them to have bank accounts to receive it."

And - notice his language about "forcing" people to do what he wants. Its the lingua franca of the left.

Posted by: Stuart Browning | Jun 2, 2006 3:14:34 PM

Force is definitely what the left does best, Stuart.

Posted by: Libertarianobserver | Jun 2, 2006 3:48:11 PM

Have you two (Stuart & L-observer) been asleep for the past five years?

Posted by: modus potus | Jun 2, 2006 3:50:23 PM

I agree the proposal about health insurance is a mess; some kind of government-run system is much preferable. I point up the neglect of children in the post, but should have made more of it.

But Ezra, your last sentence asks me or Murray to do exactly what reams of leftwing political theorists have been doing for years (I refer to the most prominent in my post). I object to the dismissal of the whole package on the basis of objection to some particular part of it; what Murray offers is an idea which is highly malleable. He, like most left wingers who have proposed this idea, worries, and I think rightly, about the perverse incentives and poverty traps built into welfare plans especially in the mean-spirited "liberal" (as opposed to social democratic) welfare states. A dominant feature of the BIG is that (unlike the negative income tax, or guaranteed income, or welfare-as-we-know-it) is that it is universal, and therefore builds avoids perverse incentives and sets up an egalitarian dynamic (the latter is the reason that he is being reamed by right-wingers, who can see this much better than he, or you apparently, can). I say this rather briefly in the review; perhaps I should have been more forceful.

Four reasons for a generally positive review

i) a very prominent right-winger endorses a basic left wing principle, and a radical version of a left-wing policy proposal. Give him some credit.

ii) A very prominent journalist/whatever-he-is writes an accessible and well written book endorsing an idea that should be discussed far more widely than it is. Encourage people to read it and other discussions -- I'm planning a follow up in a week or so pointing people to versions of the BIG by people whose political orientation and credentials you'd find more acceptable

iii) remind people that when right-wingers attack the (anglophone) welfare state some of what they say is actually right -- there are perverse incentives, poverty traps, stigmatizations, and inequalities, and when we are trying to design more egalitarian alternatives we'd better be sensitive to that.

iv) sneaky one this -- raise the issue of how the hell he managed to avoid mentioning the reams of work other people have done on this, and why the hell supposedly educated people at the LA Times, The Economist etc, are treating it like a new idea that originates with him, in the context of a generally positive evaluation of the idea. So sneaky, in fact, that it was a complete failure; hardly anyone picks up on it even among the CT audience.

Why defend myself at such length? Not because I feel bothered by your puzzlement, but because bob mcmanus is one of my absolute favourite commenters at CT (in fact bob there's a post in the works that I've written specifically for you!) and I care about retaining his good opinion (or, if I don't have it, at least not making his opinion of me worse than it should be...)

Posted by: harry b | Jun 2, 2006 3:54:46 PM

"because bob mcmanus is one of my absolute favourite commenters at CT"

Blush, unless it was a joke, in which case BLUSH. I loved the piece, harry b, read it carefully, and was left with only intellectually unserious arguments. As a reflexive social-welfare liberal, I enjoyed being challenged, and your arguments and Murray's were quite attractive.

"there are perverse incentives, poverty traps, stigmatizations, and inequalities"

As a Texan, let's say I am aware of some problems in varying implementation of the current welfare state. This egalitarian alternative looks like an easier sale and more stable long-term, than say means-tested Social Security, for example. I worry about a single check that could be reduced or eliminated with a single vote, but by making it universal, it gains a powerful constituency. Even those that don't need it, or use it to buy a boat or second home will fight to keep it around.

There is also the question of jobs. The American and British social welfare systems provide jobs and a consistent pro-government constituency.

Finally, I have a kindlier view of Charles Murray than would be acceptable in most left-wing circles. Even The Bell Curve, which if the racial issues were removed, had I think some important and compassionate questions about stratification and lack of mobility that may or may not have been wrong, but were worthwhile and interesting. I recognize the difficulty with ignoring the racial and methodological problems. And somehow there is just something about the guy in interviews that makes me suspicious.

Posted by: bob mcmanus | Jun 2, 2006 4:35:42 PM

I'd be very careful with Murray, Harry. I don't think he missed the facets I'm talking about here and I think there's great import in the constitutional amendment limiting the role of the government to this, and only this, program. As it is -- his proposal isn't malleable, it doesn't come with options for expansion or addition. It's a way to destroy the welfare state, an institution Murray think poisonous to our souls (a point he's clear on). There are plenty of good BIG proposals out there, but this isn't one of them. I look forward to your post this week, but the one today lauded Murray's idea, not his opening of the door to similar, but better, ideas.

Posted by: Ezra | Jun 2, 2006 4:45:33 PM

"post this week" should be post next week, on the other, awesomer big ideas. Sorry -- end of a looong day...

And by the way -- I agree on many of the perverse incentives of parts of the welfare state. I thought the most compelling portion of Murray's book was his bit on how The Plan would disincentivize absentee fatherism...

Posted by: Ezra | Jun 2, 2006 4:48:06 PM

For instance -- Murray requires that you spend $3,000 a year on health insurance. If you start paying that into the system when you're 20, you can negotiate it so your price won't rise when you're 80. One problem: you can't do that. The footnote for this part of the plan is pretty laughable. Murray got the number from the head of Cigna who then admitted that he would never in fact offer such a plan, because who knows what'll happen to health costs down the road. But the entire viability of Murray's plan is based on that guarantee, which doesn't exist.


Ezra, Ezra, Ezra -- it's as if this part of Murray's proposal blew totally over your head:

The first is that everyone must spend $3000 of that grant on a basic health care package, which insurance companies will be forced to offer to everyone at that price with no exclusions for pre-existing conditions, age, etc.

Posted by: Thurmond | Jun 2, 2006 5:53:19 PM

I think Ezra is right to dismiss this book with the forcefulness he does. Charles Murray is not being sympathetic to any type of left-wing views or cases whatsoever. Charles Murray's book is essentially dismissive & nihlistic. His premise, if we're going to spend all this money on the poor any way, might as well just through the middle man and give them a check rather than use ti to fuel a mostly "in kind" welfare state that in Murray's intensely unreloable opinion A: Doesen't work & B: Makes us unhappy & kills our spirit. This is of course, lost on those with guaranteed income fetishes who can't see past that.

I'm worried about poverty traps as well. Which is exactly why I as a liberal with a bit of a hands off libertarian streak, fully endorse a bit of old fashioned paternalistic "nanny-state" social democracy, rather than government simply handing out a big fat check to someone & telling them to sink or swim.

Posted by: Dustin | Jun 2, 2006 6:44:23 PM

Apologies for the typos.

Posted by: Dustin | Jun 2, 2006 6:46:20 PM

Being intellectually unserious, I simply don't trust Murray as far as I can throw him, and assume since his intentions are callous and selfish there must be a catch.

If taking Charles Murray seriously is a prerequisite to being 'intellectually serious', then I am proud to be intellectually unserious. There are more worthwhile books and tomes of knowledge published in a year than I could ever consume. I will never speak as many languages as I ought, nor watch all the movies of worth, nor listen to all the good albums released. In light of this, I refuse to waste my time on a tendentious, mendacious hack like Murray. After all, the Sox are playing tonight, and I haven't watched all of my Buffy DVDs yet.

Posted by: NBarnes | Jun 2, 2006 6:50:50 PM

You know what, I think harry b was being sarcastic. Darn, trapped by my ego again.

a) Iraq...good idea implemented badly until Matthew proved by algebra that there was no possible good implementation or outcome. Sages nodded, "Hey, Just look at the kid".

b)Medicare Part D:"Foot in the door, foot in the door, go for it" It's that darn implementation again that is killing and bankrupting the most vulnerable. Never woulda thunk it from Bushco. A sacrifice for the greater good? Would this crowd sacrifice the most vulnerable for a bad program when they won't sacrifice volunteers to save a nation? In-con-ceivable.

c) And now with Frist and Hastert and Roberts and Alito and Rove and Cheney controlling everything, intellectually serious people need to play with a constitutional amendment banning all redistributive and public assistance programs save one. Hey, just think about it. Maybe this time they'll get it right.

Posted by: bob mcmanus | Jun 2, 2006 8:15:41 PM

NO I'M NOT BEING SARCASTIC -- I really mean it (as you'll see when said post gets made) -- I've just been away from the computer take kids to soccer and now have to put them to bed. Really, bob, I mean it. Sarcasm is the one British vice I have completely foresworn. Oh, apart from getting drunk (which I never engaged in in the first place, as you know).

Thanks, Ezra, for the engaged and polite chiding, much appreciated (really, I mean it, as above). I have things to say in response to both of you, but not now (kids bedtime, then mine)...

Posted by: harry b | Jun 2, 2006 8:21:52 PM

Sorry harry b. I genuinely feel unworthy of such praise. I read everything at CT, but haven't been actively commenting for a while. Not sure why, but you do draw a useful crowd. Just feel out-leagued.

Sometimes all I feel I have to offer is passion, pain, and paranoia.

Posted by: bob mcmanus | Jun 2, 2006 9:41:03 PM

I can't believe this is something I'm supposed to take seriously. The 2007 federal budget is $2.7 trillion, folks.

If everyone in the USA got just $5,000, that would be $1.5 trillion dollars. Obviously there are a lot more people who are going to get $10,000 instead of $5,000. So what will it be - $2 trillion, or $2.5 trillion?

We're supposed to take seriously an idea that could be as large as the entire 2007 federal budget? And then I guess we'll find some magic way to fund the DOD, DHS, DOE, DOJ, State, Treasury, Transportation, Labor, Interior and all the rest of the departments.

Or does Murray want to scale back government to just the DOD? Yeah, that's going to go over. It doesn't matter how "red" any state or district is, a senator or representative who actually voted to gut the federal government's departments in any meaningful way would be run out on a rail, and they all know it.

There's all sorts of things wrong with our current welfare systems. Let's spend our time talking about serious, workable alternatives, and forget about Charles Murray and his Traveling Nutjob Circus.

Posted by: Stephen | Jun 2, 2006 10:02:43 PM

Sometimes all I feel I have to offer is passion, pain, and paranoia.

And, apparently, alliteration.

Posted by: Stephen | Jun 2, 2006 10:05:13 PM

and the most stupid thing about this is that in giving away free money to /everyone/, all that money will, at the end of the day, end up in landlords' (and mortgage-holders') pockets in the form of higher rents and higher home values, at least in all areas where any demand for housing exists.

Posted by: Troy | Jun 3, 2006 1:43:16 AM

Steve Nice catch. I was focussing on an oxymoron : in - con - ceivable. Bob fibbed.

Posted by: opit | Jun 3, 2006 1:48:56 AM

Stephen,

Of the 300 million Americans some 70 million or so are children (my estimate based on roughly 3.5 million births a year. That’s from memory so obviously wrong but a guesstimate.) They get nothing.

230 million adults at $10k a year is $2.3 trillion.

He advocates eliminating (appendix A) $ 800 billion of current income transfers with no income eligibility requirements, $500 billion of such transfers with such low income requirements and $60 billion of corporate pork for a total of $1.4 trillion (rounding).

At this time on a Saturday morning I’m not prepared to hunt for the number given for the tax clawback (from $25k to $50k, topping out at 50% or $5k of the grant) but that fills some of the gap.

There is some hand waving at this point to cover the remaining gap but his point is that those costs (as we well know) are shortly to rise substantially.

The maths isn’t too far out.

Posted by: Tim Worstall | Jun 3, 2006 6:32:55 AM

Tim, yes it is, in the sense of being possible at all. Maths which start out making ludicrous assumptions are valid only in the platonic world of mathematics, not in the real world of politics.

$800 billion of no-income-qualified transfers has got to be a few to several hundred billions of US$ going to people based on political pull (e.g., agricultural subsidies). That ain't gonna go away. IIRC, the GOP has proven that it isn't going to even go down. AFAIK, they've spent more money each year on ag subsidies (for example) after the Gingrich 'Freedom to Farm' act than before.

So we've got a proposal which fails the laugh test, from a notable junk scientist. The only thing that Murray deserves is a 'f*ck off and die'. Sure, it's *possible* that he's saying something worth listening to, but it's also possible that the guy who's repeatedly borrowed money and not repaid you will actually repay everything that he owes, with interest, if you just loan him a couple of hundred more.

Posted by: Barry | Jun 3, 2006 9:48:49 AM

Please stop with the _________ Heart _________. That movie sucked anyway.

Posted by: Mike | Jun 3, 2006 10:57:21 AM

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