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April 27, 2006

Sez Who?

Commenting on a poll showing that an enforcement-first, minuteman style party would exercise some political clout, Mickey Kaus writes:

Still, it raises suspicions about the hothouse, semi-confected Beltway CW that a tough, non-"comprehensive," enforcement-first approach is a political loser in the short term, no?

Um, the CW is that "enforcement-first" is a short-term political winner, but long-term suicide. You get angry white males in 2006 but sacrifice the Hispanic bloc far into the future. I don't know who Kaus is talking to that's telling him the reverse... [The voices in his head. Isn't it obvious? -- Ed.]

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Comments

Er, who's your editor? Are you editing yourself?

Posted by: pantomimeHorse | Apr 27, 2006 9:37:11 PM

You don't much read Kaus, do ya?

Posted by: Ezra | Apr 27, 2006 9:41:39 PM

Dear Jesus,

Please, please tell the "Minutemen" to form their own political party.

Please, please please tell James Dobson and his folks to form their own political party.

If I've forgotten anyone who has threatened to break off from the GOP, feel free to drop in on them too.

Thanks.

Your friend,

Stephen

Posted by: Stephen | Apr 27, 2006 9:44:28 PM

That the wall-builders (prison-fillers) would poll near the Dems, but above the Repubs (by a healthy margin) is more than interesting. This 'news', if really accurate, surely will shape some election strategies, perhaps Congressional district by district. Clearly the 'illegal' message strikes a major chord. And perhaps a minor chord on 'job losses'.

Perhaps that is why Harry Reid yesterday was so eager to get a bi-partisan compromise in the Senate - sort of like putting tooth-pain ointment on an exposed tooth nerve hoping it will dull the pain until the start of winter.

It is tough to see a good Dem. message to contain the short term damage these beliefs may bring while preserving the long-term Dem. advantage of an angry-at-the-GOP latin vote.

Sad times.

Posted by: JimPortlandOR | Apr 27, 2006 10:03:41 PM

And Kaus still doesn't seem to understand the obvious reason why this isn't a serious option for the GOP...

Posted by: Scott | Apr 27, 2006 11:50:56 PM

I'm not so sure that cracking down on illegal immigration loses the Hispanic vote, considering that Hispanic voters by nature are legal.

I remember similar arguments in the past that cracking down on welfare abuse would alienate black voters, but it didn't happen, because most black voters aren't on welfare and feel the same way that non-black voters do. Plus, who said welfare was a black issue or that immigration was a Hispanic issue?

Individuals are individuals. Not many people vote based on racial solidarity or some such BS.

Posted by: Adam Herman | Apr 28, 2006 3:39:33 AM

Any word on how to get out and support the May 1st protest for amnesty?

Posted by: Jason P. | Apr 28, 2006 4:09:46 AM

I'm not so sure that cracking down on illegal immigration loses the Hispanic vote, considering that Hispanic voters by nature are legal.

Adam, in theory "cracking down on illegal immigration" would not alienate other latino and legal immigrant voters. In practice the anti-illegal-immigrant political movements are dripping with racism and disdain for all immigrants. Immigrants, people of recent immigrant decent, and native-born Latinos quickly realize that the ultimate threat is against all of them, not just "illegal immigrants."

The process that Ezra is describing is the precise sequence of events that occurred in California with Proposition 187. Pete Wilson used Proposition 187 to cruise to victory back in 1994. However, the latino community quickly realized that the anti-"illegal"-immigrant agitation was just a stand-in for anti-hispanic racism and anti-immigrant attitudes in general. They organized themselves, became more politically active, and legal immigrants accepted citizenship for the purpose of being able to vote, and the Republicans became wiped out as a political force in California.

Posted by: Constantine | Apr 28, 2006 7:44:15 AM

I'm not so sure that cracking down on illegal immigration loses the Hispanic vote, considering that Hispanic voters by nature are legal.

I agree with Constantine - you might make the most color-blind arguments in the world for immigration reform or welfare reform, but if by doing so you're giving support and plausible deniability to people like Rush Limbaugh or even just taking a message as your own that until now belonged to them, people will know you by the company you keep. That doesn't and shouldn't always apply (although I think there are times when it should), but in this case it would.

Posted by: Cyrus | Apr 28, 2006 8:15:01 AM

Please, Republicans, please, please run on a Minuteman platform.

On the poll: it's a Rasmussen robopoll. No need to take it seriously.

"The process that Ezra is describing is the precise sequence of events that occurred in California with Proposition 187. Pete Wilson used Proposition 187 to cruise to victory back in 1994. However, the latino community quickly realized that the anti-"illegal"-immigrant agitation was just a stand-in for anti-hispanic racism and anti-immigrant attitudes in general. "

There's also a parallel with the UK. Enoch Powell, a Tory minister, made a speech about immigration in 1968 including the line "Like the Roman, I see the River Tober foaming with much blood", with the consequence of alienating the (substantial) Afro-Caribbean and Asian population in the UK to this day.

Posted by: Urinated State of America | Apr 28, 2006 10:13:46 AM

Ezra, for what it's worth, I clicked through to comment just to say I appreciated that comment from the editor. Maybe one of the voices in his head is named "Ed"?

Posted by: Doh | Apr 28, 2006 10:31:09 AM

Any word on how to get out and support the May 1st protest for amnesty?

People in my community are watching carefully for those businesses that will be closed Monday. It shows that they are either so loaded up with illegal workers or they are sympathetic to the illegals aliens. Either way, it will be a 'tell' that will be used to ask further questions of the proprietor.

Posted by: Fred Jones | Apr 28, 2006 12:14:33 PM

Either way, it will be a 'tell' that will be used to ask further questions of the proprietor.

You're swell, Fred Jones. Quick question: When did you have your soul removed?

Posted by: Jason P. | Apr 28, 2006 1:21:55 PM

You're swell, Fred Jones. Quick question: When did you have your soul removed?

Lessee.....It's OK for illegal aliens to attempt to shut down cities through economic pressure, but it's not OK for those who disagree to demonstrate *their* beliefs through economic pressure.

That about it?

Posted by: Fred Jones | Apr 28, 2006 3:08:51 PM

It's OK for illegal aliens to attempt to shut down cities through economic pressure, but it's not OK for those who disagree to demonstrate *their* beliefs through economic pressure.

I know I shouldn't take the bait, but... Fred, you can go about professing whatever belief you want through economic means. And you can still go about without a soul. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Posted by: Jason P. | Apr 28, 2006 5:58:38 PM

Well, Jason, you still haven't explained why it's OK for one side to use the heavy handed economic pressure, but not the other.

Goose / Gander

It shows what a bullshit argument you have.

Posted by: Fred Jones | Apr 28, 2006 6:43:24 PM

"In practice the anti-illegal-immigrant political movements are dripping with racism and disdain for all immigrants."

Granted, but as we've seen with welfare reform, even though many of the advocates were racists, government can handle it in a fair way.

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