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February 07, 2006

Tomato, Tomahto

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Pat Robertson thinks Europe is committing racial suicide:

Studies that I have read indicate that having babies is a sign of a faith in the future. You know, unless you believe in the future, you're not going to take the trouble of raising a child, educating a child, doing something. If there is no future, why do it? Well, unless you believe in God, there's really no future. And when you go back to the existentialism of Jean-Paul Sartre, the whole idea of this desperate nightmare we are in -- you know, that we are in this prison, and it has no hope, no exit. That kind of philosophy has permeated the intellectual thinking of Europe, and hopefully it doesn't come here. But nevertheless, ladies and gentlemen, Europe is right now in the midst of racial suicide because of the declining birth rate. And they just can't get it together. Why? There's no hope.

I guess it’s useless to point out that there’s not a single race in Europe.

But as one of the despairing, deliberately childless masses, let me just clarify something for you, Mr. Robertson. We don’t really think of it as suicide, racial or otherwise. We’re just going to kind of slowly die out, taking existentialism, enlightenment, and reason with us, so the rest of you can scrabble about in the dirt unimpeded by our presence. Personally, I like to think of it as the Rapture in Reverse.

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Well, unless you believe in God, there's really no future.

Wait a minute. Pat Robertson's God is still the one that's coming back to turn the ocean into blood and smite us all with plagues, antichrists and clouds of locust-demons before hurling the vast majority of the human race into neverending hell, right? Doesn't belief in his god entail there not being a future?

Posted by: Iron Lungfish | Feb 7, 2006 2:41:12 PM

Only for those who don't believe in his god. Just believe in his god and have lots of babies and everything will be A-OK!

Posted by: Shakespeare's Sister | Feb 7, 2006 2:53:28 PM

"Rapture in Reverse"....dying laughing, sitting at work. So good. Thanks.

Posted by: Joe | Feb 7, 2006 3:16:13 PM

Here's a question:
Must one be a minority to have racial pride and wish to promote their race? Are whites who do this automatically racist?

Posted by: Fred Jones | Feb 7, 2006 3:24:19 PM

Gallup today says that 64% of our God fearing country here believe that the country is on the wrong track and that things are getting worse.

Posted by: sprocket | Feb 7, 2006 3:51:37 PM

Pat Robertson thinks Europe is committing racial suicide:

Studies that I have read indicate that having babies is a sign of a faith in the future.

Does not compute.

Jokes aside, I might take arguments like this seriously, maybe, if they were a little bit younger than, say, the state of North Dakota.

I Googled "racial suicide", and that was the first hit. Robertson's quote was the third or fourth.

Since you asked, Fred, I'm not necessarily calling him a racist, I'm just calling him stupid. What, I wonder, does he think has changed between even more dire predictions a century ago - and much longer, if less scientific-sounding predictions count - and his own predictions that makes him right where they were wrong? Did he think about it? At all? Is he even aware that this concern of his is not new and original?

And just as importantly, where would he go with this? So what if we do commit what he would call racial suicide? (Also known as "miscegenation".) What does it hurt?

Posted by: Cyrus | Feb 7, 2006 4:37:50 PM

When is The Lord gonna do for Robertson what he claims it did for Sharon, New Orleans, Key West, etc? It's enough to try my faith in Jay-zus......

Posted by: sglover | Feb 7, 2006 4:42:58 PM

Since you asked, Fred, I'm not necessarily calling him a racist, I'm just calling him stupid.

The question is much, much bigger than just Pat. Here it is again for your consideration:
Must one be a minority to have racial pride and wish to promote their race? Are whites who do this automatically racist?

Posted by: Fred Jones | Feb 7, 2006 7:43:44 PM

For me, the only reason I can have pride in a group into which I was born is because I have some sort of solidarity with that group. Sometimes this is trivial, such as being proud of being an Arkansas Razorbacks fan - in this respect I am proud of being from Arkansas. I am sure there are many many many Arkansans with which I disagree on a great many things, but at a basketball game, we're all connected. Sometimes it's less trivial, such as being a woman. I'm proud to be a woman, someone who can give birth, and nurse babies, and I'm proud of the things that women have accomplished, sometimes against the odds.

I don't feel any racial pride, because I don't associate being Caucasian with anything that really deserves respect. I'm NOT denigrating all white Europeans with that statement, it just means that white is the color that I happen to be. I'm no more or less proud of it than I am of having brown eyebrows and big feet.

So, to answer you question, Fred, no and no. But "racial pride" is a fairly superficial thing in which to have pride, imo.

Posted by: Stacy | Feb 7, 2006 8:38:16 PM

You lost me after stating Pat Robertson thinks.......
As for Fred and his racial pride...you live in a society of mixed races Fred. That's what "coloured" means. You can have pride in your racial purity if you must be delusional. Works to promote slavery and culling the herd (gas ovens). That's some progress !
Me, I'm a hodgepodge of European bloodlines - serfs in there - and know it ; as most WASPs should. I don't even feel different when tanned !

Posted by: opit | Feb 7, 2006 10:19:58 PM

Must one be a minority to have racial pride and wish to promote their race? Are whites who do this automatically racist?

Must you be so willfully ignorant and obtuse? Must you continually ask loaded questions that have no bearing whatsoever upon the issue at hand or even reality? Is your wrongheadedness on Every. Single. Issue. something you're born with, or do you cultivate it?

Answer these questions for us first.

Posted by: Stephen | Feb 7, 2006 10:29:15 PM

Fred's trying to derail the thread. Ignore him. He's only Welsh, anyway.

Anyway, since when was Europe a) one race and b) a different race from a large chunk of America? Surely if all the White Folks (which is what he's talking about, I'm willing to bet) die out in Europe, there will still be ample supplies elsewhere?
Though, speaking as a European, I'm quite willing to be classed as a different race - or even a different species - from Pat Robertson.

Posted by: ajay | Feb 8, 2006 5:02:03 AM

The question is much, much bigger than just Pat. Here it is again for your consideration:
Must one be a minority to have racial pride and wish to promote their race? Are whites who do this automatically racist?

I answered your question, but you didn't answer mine. Nevertheless, I'll make an attempt at answering your new question.

You can find weighty discussions about the meaning of racism at lots of other blogs - certain old pandagon posts come to mind - but I'm not going to bother finding them. Simply put, as the song goes, "everyone's a little bit racist". Everyone also tells white lies, and isn't 100% fair, and rounds in their favor sometimes. Racism is just one of the many negative traits that are universal or very nearly. But there's a difference between universal racism and the racism of segregation and eugenics, in the same way that there's a difference between white lies and George Bush or rounding in your favor and being Kenneth Lay.

So to answer your question, and this is just my personal opinion you understand, a white guy who wants to promote his race is racist. As is a black guy, probably. But focusing on petty, harmless, racism of personal opinions is dangerously counterproductive when there's serious racism out there killing or persecuting people. Don't you agree?

What am I saying. Of course you don't.

So, do you plan on answering my question? Certain people have been afraid of imminent "racial suicide" for hundreds of years. If they were all wrong, what makes you think that current fears are more justified?

Posted by: Cyrus | Feb 8, 2006 9:57:16 AM

...And the answer is YES. If you are a minority, you can be proud of your race, have certain days set aside for that pride, have institutions that contain that pride.

However, if you are white, you are an asshole. This double standard is glaring and just becuase no one points it out, we all see it on a daily basis.

Posted by: Fred Jones | Feb 8, 2006 10:48:25 AM

Fred, you being a sick asshole freak has nothing to do with your race.

Posted by: Stephen | Feb 8, 2006 12:25:00 PM

So to answer your question, and this is just my personal opinion you understand, a white guy who wants to promote his race is racist. As is a black guy, probably.

Brutally honest. If this is true, then why aren't those who rail against the racism in this country only interested in the white racism?

But focusing on petty, harmless, racism of personal opinions is dangerously counterproductive when there's serious racism out there killing or persecuting people. Don't you agree?

And who decides what is serious racism and needs our attention from the "petty, harmless, racism of personla opinions" YOU?

Fred, you being a sick asshole freak...

Looks like this guy doesn't agree with me.....oh, well...

Posted by: Fred Jones | Feb 8, 2006 1:01:06 PM

And a whole thread is focused on nitpicking at what Robertson said, while completely ignoring the substance of his concern. To wit, that European culture will be submerged by a Muslim population that doesn't care for (or actively despises) European culture, and civil liberties.

(Robertson is still a grade-A moron; but when you're right, you're right.)

Posted by: Mastiff | Feb 9, 2006 3:53:15 AM

It will be most interesting when the liberal Europeans will be forced to make a choice between their unrealistic "can't we all just get along" attitude with massive bombings and riots against them.

What will they do then? Sing Kumbaya?

Posted by: Fred Jones | Feb 9, 2006 11:22:53 AM

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