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January 14, 2006

Looks Like Stossel Is "Stupid in America"

By Pepper of the Daily Pepper

John Stossel has a new libertarian rant, "Stupid in America: How We Cheat Our Kids" (or, more appropriately, "Stupid in America: Belgium Rocks My World"), in which he blames all problems with American education on those lazy public-school teachers. Because, really, all teachers are just as they are portrayed on television, right? In Stossel's companion article, he gripes, "Don't like your public school? Tough. The school is terrible? Tough. Your taxes fund that school regardless of whether it's good or bad. That's why government monopolies routinely fail their customers. Union-dominated monopolies are even worse. "

Did you hear the sneer behind the word "Union"? Yes, teachers who like to eat and pay their mortgage are destroying your child's education. Well, Doghouse Riley, who happens to know a thing or two about public schools, held his nose and watched the whole program. With a little research, he proceeds to poke a hole in each of Stossel's arguments, starting with Stossel's misplaced affection for Belgium, which supposedly spends less on its students yet their students have higher scores than Americans:

That's easily checked using the figures from the very test program that Stossel is using (both in the sense of "to employ" and "to manipulate cheaply for one's own gain", though I'm not sure those don't mean the same thing to him), the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development's Programme for International Student Assessment, or PISA, tests. "Expenditure on Educational Institutions", from the chart on page 67 of the 2004 report:

  • Belgium: % of GDP, Public Schools: 5.97
  • United States: % of GDP, Public Schools: 4.66

Maybe it's just that some of our adults have a little problem with advanced mathematics, too. But then, per the report, Belgian funding "follows the student" into the school of his choice, so perhaps the 6.36% of GDP spent on public and private schools combined is more apt.

Doghouse Riley proceeds to pluck at Stossel, noting that he taped classrooms on the last day of school, when most students are goofing off anyway. He also questions Stossel's use of the "international test" that favors the Belgians and has a "distinct Pepsi challenge air about it already."

I also find it fascinating that Stossel uses his program to pick on the teachers, the little guys in the melodrama that is public education. Blaming the teachers is easy, instead of taking a hard look at the administrators who give themselves raises (UC, I mean you!) and then increase class sizes to save money.

Education in America is screwed up, I'll give Stossel that. But teachers are being treated like the new scrubs of the service industry. Given the McDonaldification of education, teachers may as well ask, "Would you like fries with that?" after giving a lecture on the War of 1812. (I was in a TA union because the administrators were trying to raise the class cap and dock the health care, so I am fully aware of how administrators treat teachers like toilet paper. "Blame the union," whatever.)

Social class also has plenty to do with the education students receive. In the well-off community of Orinda, where a friend used to teach, the students benefitted from the property taxes of their parents, and the students regularly got into the University of California school system. Compare that to the poorer schools of San Francisco or Oakland, where there is no cash to go around, and the schools have become more or less holding pens for the students.

Perhaps someone should tell Stossel that it isn't the fact that we waste cash on the schools. The money simply isn't going to the students who need it. The amount spent per student is an average, and the Orinda kids will get a larger piece of the pie than the Oakland kids. Of course, such a comment is too socialist for a "pull-'em'-up by the bootstraps" kind of guy like Stossel.

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I feel as if I say this with everything--and I probably do--but I don't know enough about education policy to know if my question is redundant or even stupid. So, I will ask, how does the situation of private colleges and universities versus public colleges compare with private schools versus public schools at the beginning levels? Unless I am horribly mistaken, there are far more private colleges in the country than public colleges, yet this doesn't make a big difference in regards to the quality. I wonder if the same sort of spread would occur for the beginning levels.

Posted by: Brian | Jan 14, 2006 4:51:38 PM

About ten years I used to work out at the same gym as Stossel. He was one of the most arrogant condescending little shits I'd ever had the misfortune of running into on a regular basis.

Where's Dr. D. when you need him?

Posted by: Randy Paul | Jan 14, 2006 9:14:01 PM

If John "I'm a Libertarian - really!" Stossel really believes in the hidden hand of the free markets, he should support paying teachers AT LEAST as much as babysitters.

Do the math. If babysitters get $3 per hour per kid, and teachers had to regularly put up with 25 kids in their classrooms 6 hours a day for 180 days, then teacher's wages would amount to $81,000 a year easy. Pay teachers that much and watch the quality of the pedegogy improve.

Sadly, Stossel is not a libertarian, he's an elitist. I hope some pro-wrestler smacks some sense into him again.

Posted by: ItAintEazy | Jan 14, 2006 10:18:11 PM

But comparing % of GDP between countries is also misleading. The U.S.'s GDP/capita is much higher than Belgium's.

US: 40,000
Belgium: 30,000
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html

So if you use the same percentages that are given, we still spend more on a dollar basis.

Just because a country spends a greater percentage of their GDP doesn't mean they should have better results. If Togo spent a greater percentage of their GDP on education, would we be resigned to having lower scores than them? I would hope not.

Posted by: AJ | Jan 15, 2006 1:13:55 AM

OK, so Stossel's a jerk, and he picks on teachers. Meanwhile, my local public schools stink,(even though they're rated well in national comparisons), and local parochial schools do much better for less than half the cost.

So should we bitch about Stossel or do something about overfunded and underperforming public schools?

Posted by: Walter | Jan 15, 2006 2:03:33 AM

Stossel's a jerk because he's a blowhard with absurdly blatant slant to the material he puts out. His whole spiel is designed for those who have little background in a particular area, and even less taste for critical thought. (I laughed pretty hard when he spewed forth incendiary rhetoric aimed at monopolies, citing in some absolute terms that nothing good ever came of a monopoly... and during the commercial break, a Microsoft ad played... I wonder if he hates them as much as he hated that restaurant in Moscow decades ago!)

Methinks I catch a whif of the Stossel-style oversimplified-to-the-point-of-insult framing in the previous question. I think I'll bitch about Stossel *and* consider what to do about public schools. Of course, I'm more concerned with the underfunded ones (most of my state) than the overfunded ones (this town I rent in, where rich folks just donated $8mil for a new 'theater' at the HS)... the problems are complex and the situations not nearly black-and-white. I figure the following weeks will be spent by many undoing the snowjobbing framing of Mr. Stossel.

Posted by: lb | Jan 15, 2006 3:27:39 AM

De-link education funding from local property taxes.

That would fix half the problems. The other half is cultural, an anti-intellectual culture. Where you're only in school to get the paper to make the money. Learning is out of the picture.

Posted by: Karmakin | Jan 15, 2006 11:36:30 AM

One correction about your Orinda example: 30 years ago or so, the Serrano-Priest court decision invalidated California's system linking school funding to property taxes, and required the state to equalize funding across school districts. What gives kids advantages in a place like Orinda is the relentless fundraising of booster clubs and the like, which pay for 'amenities' like art and music classes and sports and such.

In the department of Unintended Consequences, de-linking schools from property taxes is one of the things that led to the odious Proposition 13, the gift that keeps on taking: people in wealthy communities who had been more or less willing to pay, as long as it was spent in their community on their kids, got pissed off because 'their' money was going to (less-advantaged) kids elsewhere.

Posted by: Tom Hilton | Jan 15, 2006 11:46:56 AM

Walter said:

and local parochial schools do much better for less than half the cost.

Fair enough, Walter, but what types of students do they let into those schools? Once you keep out the kids with issues (learning/emotional disabilities or whatever), it's easier to obtain good results from those that you let in.

Posted by: Paul | Jan 15, 2006 5:04:22 PM

All have focused on $$$, but let's face it, schools have changed and not for the better.

Schools have been used throughout the years by special interest groups to implement social programs instead of following the mission of education. This started with the integration of schools to address the racial issue and is still being practiced with the GLBT crowd. Then you have the union whose charge is to garner concessions for teachers (not children). Then there's the loss of control teachers enjoyed in the past to keep the few from interfering with the education of the many. No longer can teachers remove disruptive students or expel or even punish them. Then there's the new trend of short school hours and no homework.
So why should anyone be surprised at the crisis we find ourselves in today with public education?

Posted by: Fred Jones | Jan 16, 2006 9:44:20 AM

John Stossell sends his kids to a NYC private school where tuition is almost $30,000 per year, which doesn't nearly cover all the costs -- there is also alot of private fundraising that supplements the tuition, and he is a generous contributor to these efforts as well.

Class sizes are never more than 16 kids per class, and all the extras are provided as well. Public schools spend too much money; class size doesn't matter -- but I guess that's for other people's children, not his.

Posted by: Leonie Haimson | Jan 27, 2006 4:03:59 PM

* Belgium: % of GDP, Public Schools: 5.97
* United States: % of GDP, Public Schools: 4.66

No reason to believe that because the % of GDP is higher that the dollars spent per student is also higher. GDP is not the same for each country. Sorry but Doghouse Riley didn't poke any holes there.

More importantly, do liberals really expect us to believe that public school dollars are well spent? Why not face reality instead of trying to delude the public?

Posted by: dc | Jan 29, 2006 1:33:48 AM

"
John Stossell sends his kids to a NYC private school where tuition is almost $30,000 per year, which doesn't nearly cover all the costs -- there is also alot of private fundraising that supplements the tuition, and he is a generous contributor to these efforts as well.

Class sizes are never more than 16 kids per class, and all the extras are provided as well. Public schools spend too much money; class size doesn't matter -- but I guess that's for other people's children, not his.
"

What you're not mentioning is that he is still forced to support public schools. He probably pays enough in property taxes to pay for an entire public school class. The wealthy pay for most public services but that's not enough, according to liberals.

But keep defending those financial black holes you call public schools. Keep defending them while even public school teachers and liberal politicians send their kids to private schools. Keep defending them, keep showing us your faith in nanny government's detention centers.

Posted by: dc | Jan 29, 2006 1:52:17 AM

Why would we pay teachers more when half of them suck and the other half don't. Maybe the adults here don't remember way back when how many teachers did you have that you actually liked and learned something from? 1, 2?

Why the hell would we pay teachers the same amount as doctors when it takes much more training and experience to be someone who saves lives vs 4 years + some grad school to keep a bunch of rowdy kids in a room.

I think the whole point of this was to say no matter what other people or teachers have to say, the money they are spending and the methods they are using are not working. Kids are dumb as hell and it's not their fault.

Posted by: washington | Dec 3, 2006 9:21:46 PM

Teachers do suck in America and Canada and they deserve a lower income for the little work they do. Public education is a pit. Some teach cause its easy I have met few good teachers in my life

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Belgium: % of GDP, Public Schools: 5.97
= $20.5 billion
[CIA World Factbook] GDP: $342.8 billion (2006 est.)
GDP (per capita): $33,000 (2006 est.)
Average per student expendiature: $5,329
(http://nces.ed.gov/surveys/international/Intlindicators/index.asp?IndicatorNumber=43&SectionNumber=4)

United States: % of GDP, Public Schools: 4.66
= $611.9 billion
[CIA World Factbook] GDP: $13.13 trillion (2006 est.)
GDP(per capita): $44,000 (2006 est.)
Average per student expendiature: $7,397
(http://nces.ed.gov/surveys/international/Intlindicators/index.asp?IndicatorNumber=43&SectionNumber=4)
Average per student expendiature: $8,701
(http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN2438214220070524?feedType=RSS&rpc=22)

The Belgian school system gets substantially less money per student on average, and yet is much more successful at teaching children under their care. Most Third World countries have better public education systems. What masquerades as public education in the US is deliberately, outrageously bad, utterly inexcusable, and has become steadily worse by design since the late 1960s.

Unionized US school teachers are overpaid and underworked. The average US teacher makes about $50,000 per year for a job where they are supposed to work only 180 days of the year. This doesn't take into account their extensive health, dental and pension plans. Most teachers I know can afford to send their children to private schools, and do so.

And John Stossel is an arrogant, condescending little shit? For suggesting that parents would be better off having the option to send their children to the schools of their choice? Have you any idea how ironic that stupid ad hominem attack comes off as?

As for me, I wouldn't settle for a school voucher system. Most public school teachers in the US should be fired, and the leaders of their unions should be prosecuted for felony fraud and child abuse and thrown in jail. At the very, very least we should do to them what Reagan did to the air traffic controllers, and what Thatcher did to British miners.

But a federal voucher system would be a good start.

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