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June 09, 2005
Two Cents on Taxes
In their special report on tax politics, the American Prospect made a good point. Considering the current fiscal situation, Democrats are going to have to learn to advocate for higher taxes again. Yes, it sucks to be the grown-up after the Republicans have crayoned over the budget's walls and urinated on the fiscal sofa, but somebody has to do it if our revenues are to be brough in line with the sort of progressive role for government we envision (and that George Bush, through NCLB and the Medicare drug benefit, has helped actualize).
Generally speaking, we rhetorically approach this through soaking the rich. Most everything advocated by a Democratic candidate last year was supposed to be paid for through rolling back the tax cuts on the wealthy. Not even raising their taxes, just rolling back the decrease. That won't cut it. As someone in the blogosphere said (I forget who), you can't pay for everything through the estate tax, you can't fund all dreams on the backs of the rich.
And that, to some degree, has been the Democrats' problem. But it seems to me that the solution is realizing you can fund something through the estate tax, through rolling back the tax cuts, and through other targeted and non-targeted tax increases. Indeed, the Democrats are really in trouble when asking for broad-based, vague tax hikes. If you nail everyobdy and don't tell them what it's for, don't be surprised when folks would prefer not to pay. But dedicated revenue streams are another story. What if we reinstituted the estate tax and dedicated it to Social Security? What if we rolled back the tax cuts and put half the revenue towards the defict and half towards shoring up Medicare? What if we instituted a VAT to fund universal health care, or raised taxes on everyone by 2% (or some amount) to institute single-payer health care?
The point is, Democrats need to make taxes about programs rather than paychecks. The country is ideologically conservative, which is to say theoretically selfish, so if you ask them to give up more money to fund unknown government projects, a "no" response shouldn't exactly shock you. But the country is also operationally liberal, so if you tell them you need some more money specifically and solely to fund something they like, that's a transaction as much as a tax increase, and it engages the liberal side of Americans as surely as it does their conservative halves.
Democrats will have to raise taxes, the only question is how. Approaching it like a sale -- you give us money and get some predefined benefit in return -- strikes me as a much more common-sense approach than vague pronouncements about the deficit or investment. Ask for the money, explain what it'll buy, lock it into place (with the constraints on the revenue being sunsetted after five years to preserve future flexibility), and argue for it in context of a program people like, not a tax increase they never willl.
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Posted by: Sandals | Jun 9, 2005 12:31:07 PM
Here's a novel approach. Why not also advocate cutting spending...something the Republicans have screwed the pooch on. It may be something the Democrats can opt for themselves......I wish somebody would.
Posted by: Robert Zimmerman | Jun 9, 2005 12:35:52 PM
Oh wise Zimmy,
What should we cut first. Give me one area of the federal budget that can bear cutting and will make any dent in the mountain of debt that Dear Leader has heaped up for us all - $8 trillion and counting. I am, however, glad that you recognize that your party is the borrow and spend party.
Posted by: JTN | Jun 9, 2005 1:24:03 PM
Sandals is exactly right. To take an silly and extreme example, in 1890, a horse tax would have been a great way to guarantee a recenue stream for national defense, but we'd have been shit outta luck when WWII hit.
Also, Social Security pretty much demonstrates that we can't reap at least one of the benefits of a dedicated revenue stream--the ability to build a cushion for anticipated future costs. It's impossible because irresponsible Republican politicians like spending free money, and Democrats can't figure out how to explain to people why it's important enough elect someone over ("lockbox, anyone?").
I see the political value of tying a tax to a specific cause; I'd just rather see it dumped into general revenues and the program instituted and funded out of general revenues than create a direct financing stream.
Posted by: theorajones | Jun 9, 2005 1:38:58 PM
I think you are somewhat on the right track Ezra. However, how confident are you that government will successfully keep it's revenue streams for a specific purpose? I know in my state, it has been claimed many times that this tax will be for this purpose, only to see the money go almost everywhere but for that purpose.
If you believe we need more government, you are going to have to convince the American people that the need you see is needed (for most 'liberal programs' you tend to have slight majorities already, although more is probably needed for success) and that it is worth paying for themselves.
A tax the rich strategy won't, I believe, work with the electorate. There are too many who either feel that such taxes are unfair, or that government waste will make the programs meaningless.
If you can convince the middle class something is worth sacrificing for themselves, you will probably get the necessary votes to make it pass.
Posted by: Dave Justus | Jun 9, 2005 1:40:57 PM
While I support your ideas, here's the problem as I see it: selling it. Too many people, Rs & Ds, resent the idea of progressive taxation because someday they're going to be the upper 1%, just as soon as they (insert fantasy here).
The American Dream, with all it promises, is a noble goal, promising everyone a fair slice of the pie, and an opportunity to become Donald Trump. But when people fantasize about wealth they also fantasize about how to retain it, and avoid taxation.
Posted by: Stephen Anderson | Jun 9, 2005 1:46:55 PM
Honestly? I'm not. Indeed, I'm not even sure that'd be best (hence the sunset provision). I want higher taxc rates. i want the government to have more discretionary revenue. Problem is, the right has spent the last decade promising big spending with low taxes, so now that's what the public is into. Simply raising taxes doesn't sell, even though it's shockingly important. This may be, I hope, a better way to sell it. Ideologically, I'm with Theora (except for my desire to fund government health care with a dedicated stream), but much of this idea is political, rather than a deep commitment to the concept of dedicated revenue.
Posted by: Ezra | Jun 9, 2005 1:48:26 PM
yes Robert, please. Tell us where the fat is, the fat that will give us $500 billion in revenue back to erase the deficit.
Posted by: verplanck colvin | Jun 9, 2005 2:04:06 PM
Sandals didn't make one point about California that should lift eyebrows... the list of those in favour compared to those against. Majority should be no problem if Universal Medical can be brought to a vote.
Posted by: opit | Jun 9, 2005 2:05:18 PM
If you can convince the middle class something is worth sacrificing for themselves, you will probably get the necessary votes to make it pass.
Well, DUH!
Isn't that what you should have been doing the whoe time???
Posted by: Robert Zimmerman | Jun 9, 2005 2:10:32 PM
Tell us where the fat is, the fat that will give us $500 billion in revenue back to erase the deficit.
"Fat" to one person may be a necessity to another so the term is really pretty much meaningless. The sad fact is that we have overpromised and will not, in the future, be able to keep those promises.
Here's a question: Can you raise taxes high enough to erase the deficit? Will higher taxes screw the economy and result in lower revenue despite high taxation?
Is there no room for consideration of reduction of spending at all? Is this just out of the question completely?
Posted by: Robert Zimmerman | Jun 9, 2005 3:24:51 PM
I agree with Robert--cut the fat first before raising taxes. Ever see that commercial with the guy dressed in the question mark clothes selling his book on how to get free government money? That's a good place to start. Get out of Iraq, cut military spending by 15%, raise the retirement age to 72 to be chronologically correct with the original stipulations of Social Security.......health care I'm still on the fence on--its needed but it takes twice the money to have a government do anything--just go to the DMV to see bureacracy in action.
Posted by: Steve Mudge | Jun 9, 2005 3:37:25 PM
As someone in the blogosphere said (I forget who), you can't pay for everything through the estate tax, you can't fund all dreams on the backs of the rich.
Sounds like Yglesias to me.
Posted by: Adrock | Jun 9, 2005 4:00:50 PM
Steve, you're a good guy, but the numbers just don't back you up on health care. Canada's admin costs are 300% lower than ours per capita, and everyone in their country is covered (meaning our costs are artificially low because 42 million are in the calculation who aren't using much, or any, admin costs). In fact, the general idea that government is bad at administration is simply wrong. Social Security is a model of tight, spare admin, with overhead costing less than 1%. Medicare is similarly well run. Yes, I know folks don't like the DMV, but does anyone really relish calling the American Airlines support #, or their insurance company?
Posted by: Ezra | Jun 9, 2005 4:24:26 PM
What if more government positions were elected ones instead of appointed ones? For example, head of SS, Jo Anne B. Barnhart. Not only is this position appointed by a President, its a 6 freaking year term. Why should the President's ideological concerns dictate the future of the government program?
This, of course, would require not only a lock box, but for this person to have full budgetary control. Now, if a national campaign was too large, maybe we could elect state respresentatives who then elect a national chairperson or whatever.
We ask for more money, but where is the additional accountability? How can we leave each and every facet of the federal system up to 1 man? What ends up happening, is that the responsibility is deflected downward toward that person. So the President can just kick that person out if he feels necessary. Well, thats not good enough, because he can just put appoint another ideological hack.
(None of this was a dig a Ms. Barnhart, btw, I'm sure she's done a fine job, just an example.) We should be encouraging agency independence in government, with real accountability. It would be an easier sell politically, and in my personal opinion, liberally ideologically sound as well.
Posted by: Adrock | Jun 9, 2005 4:25:14 PM
The DMV was overhauled a few years ago in MA and now it runs like a charm. (Partially could just be in comparison, but I don't mind going in now.) What does that say? It says that good people can run programs efficiently. How do you get good people in there? Elect them. As much as I hate Romney's underlying ideology, he's been a blessing to this state.
Posted by: Adrock | Jun 9, 2005 4:29:08 PM
If the US can pull off an efficient universal health care system I'm all for it--just call me jaded from my personal experiences with bureacracy(State Compensation Fund, building permits, etc.).
Perhaps if the AMA were to allow a full complement of doctors to service the public needs, rather than the artificial shortage that's been created over the last half a century, competition would drive doctor's wages lower and we would have more incentive for doctors to want to work in a universal health care system....just a thought.
I know its paradoxical but I think that if the Democrats could incorporate some principles of libertarianism in their thinking they would first, lower spending, and second, beat the Republicans at their own supposed game. Instead of blindly throwing money at everything, which the country is sick of, let's go through these programs and see what's really needed....anybody got the cojones? Bet they win the next election.
Posted by: Steve Mudge | Jun 9, 2005 5:16:41 PM
Are there any age limits for procedures in the Canadian healthcare system? Perhaps some of the Canadians can answer this.
Posted by: Robert Zimmerman | Jun 9, 2005 7:27:20 PM
Read in the LA Times this morning that US cotton farmers were subsidized to the tune of 1.6 billion dollars last year.....there's another chunk of change to free up.
Posted by: Steve Mudge | Jun 10, 2005 10:20:57 AM
I agree, Steve.
The standard stereotype of the conservative is that he promotes corporate welfare and that simply is not the case. Many think corporate welfare waste such as sugar, cotton and other commodity subsidies that are not strategic necessities need to go.
Posted by: Robert Zimmerman | Jun 10, 2005 10:53:32 AM
er, Robert. The bankruptcy bill. The Cheney energy bill. Corporate giveaways by so-called conservatives are alive and well.
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