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March 08, 2005

Wild for Guy

Campus Progress has a superb article profiling Guy Benson, an up-and-coming attack poodle still finishing up college. The piece is great, a must-read both on an intellectual level and as a simply enjoyable piece of reporting. I do, however, want to highlight this quote:

I spent a lot of my time with Guy trying to figure out how he got so good. He doesn’t go to a conservative school, his family is only moderately Republican (his mother is a straight-ticket Republican, but she doesn’t think about it much; his father, an executive at a multinational financial-services company, says he’s “much, much more politically moderate than Guy”), and, most important, he’s only 19 years old. Then it came to me: like others on the right, he’s better at messaging because he’s been forced to spend every second of his college career arguing with liberals. So he and his friends pool their resources and hone their arguments and become virtually unbeatable. The same thing doesn’t happen for liberals at elite schools. We get good at arguing about how classist the drug war is and how subversive porn is. Then we get out into the real political world and just don’t have the chops to win an argument – or an election.

I ran this theory by Rich Lowry, editor of the nation’s premier conservative magazine, the National Review. Lowry met Guy last summer during the Republican National Convention. Since then they’ve maintained an e-mail correspondence, and Lowry appeared as a guest on Feedback last fall. “If you’re a conservative, usually you kind of like going against the crowd a little bit, that’s sort of the appeal of it,” Lowry said. “It’s much harder to be a lazy conventional conservative, because you’re constantly going to be challenged. So you think: why is opposition to gun control correct? You go and look at articles, back issues of the National Review, and you pay attention to the arguments. You acquire this arsenal. Why is the Iraq war right? You better know if you’re a conservative on campus….All that helps produce something like Guy. That’s not to discount his natural talents, and just the way he is, which is very hard to invent.”

I'm sure other college students can back me up on the truth of this. I'm not really sure how you counteract it, but it really does seem that there's a Jackie Robinson effect here -- being a vocal conservative on campus is so hard (and, in all honesty, it actually is, at least at UC) that the kids who choose to do it are necessarily better, more informed, and more committed than most of their liberal counterparts. They're alos, as a result of perceived persecution, much more committed to the success of their movement. That's why so many bright conservatives exit college and dive into the politics, while so many liberals wander off to academia or NGO's or the Peace Corps. Campus progressives generally judge their ideologies triumphant and not really requiring their constant attention, while conservatives see theirs as embattled and in desperate need of more recruits. In the real world, of course, it's actually the opposite, but nobody knows that till their paths are already set. Guy is a good example of this phenomenon, and I highly recommend the piece for insight into it.

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Shhh! There's no such thing as liberal academia.

Posted by: praktike | Mar 8, 2005 3:23:44 PM

Everything Guy has to offer is through second-person perspective; none--or none of substantial or relevant value--is from personal experience. He venerates Ann Coulter and Rick Santorum, and decries the impractical left.

In short, he is the perfect microcosm of the Republican echo chamber. A good article about a scary, "Devil you don't know" phenomenon.

Posted by: jim | Mar 8, 2005 3:29:10 PM

Ack! I can't believe you put those two posts up back-to-back. Crush them indeed. Let's start by crushing this Guy guy and all the other Guy wanna-bes coming up through the ranks.

the kids who choose to do it are necessarily better

Better? Better at what? Repeating the simplistic, facile arguments that Movement Conservatives have been honing for three decades? With that infrastructure behind them, any kid with access to a typewriter could grow up to be a right-wing hack.

more informed

Informed. You mean they've memorized the right's disinformation?

more committed

I'll give them that. Of course it's easier to fire up that committment when you're team's been administering a one-sided ass whupping for over a decade. I'd bet that helps get them through those long, cold nights on their liberal campuses.

Sorry, Ezra. Don't mean to come across as hostile. I just don't think winger pundits at any age should be given too much credit for carrying out a fairly straight-forward effort in fundamental wrongheadedness.

Posted by: Toast | Mar 8, 2005 3:31:03 PM

"you're team's...

Oops. The ole AOHD (Adult-Onset Homonym Disorder) kicked up a bit there. Apologies.

Posted by: Toast | Mar 8, 2005 3:33:16 PM

"Better? Better at what? Repeating the simplistic, facile arguments that Movement Conservatives have been honing for three decades? With that infrastructure behind them, any kid with access to a typewriter could grow up to be a right-wing hack."

Yep.

"Informed. You mean they've memorized the right's disinformation?"

Yep.

"I'll give them that. Of course it's easier to fire up that committment when you're team's been administering a one-sided ass whupping for over a decade. I'd bet that helps get them through those long, cold nights on their liberal campuses."

Yep.

Posted by: Ezra | Mar 8, 2005 3:34:58 PM

Hey, I know that guy! I edited the conservative paper at Northwestern for two years, and I remember hearing this Benson fella was turning into the go-to conservative on issues and thinking "what about us?" (I say "us" because I'm thinking of other staffers ... I was pretty much a RINO.)

I never would have guessed Guy to be one of the foremost young conservatives in America - throw a rock at a convention of the Collegiate Network and you'll hit someone similar. But Guy is definitely ahead of the game in his framing and adherence to the national Republican party. Maybe more than half of the college conservatives I knew were pro-war libertarians.

Posted by: Dave Weigel | Mar 8, 2005 3:36:34 PM

If Liberals seem ill-at-ease in an argument, it's because the general zeitgeist of our culture was thought to have been "settled" a couple of decades ago...choice, voting rights, universal health care (coming soon), Social Security, Progressive Taxation, strong environmental concerns, living wage, et al...all this seemed just a "matter of time"...it's stunning to see those rugs pulled out so quickly (and with such malicious glee)...who could have foreseen a large chunk of the population voting away their economic security (amongst other things) over religious issues (nevermind that the most moral of the Liberal positions equate beautifully with the Gospels)...? Most of the country (I think) felt that NO ONE would purposely wreck the United States over their (deceitful) partisan ideaology...

But the Progressives are re-grouping and there's only so much more the venal GOP can pull off without over-reaching - I think their vaunted SS debacle is only their first "wake-up" call that the past four years have been an anomaly and NOT a movement...

Posted by: Russ Carter | Mar 8, 2005 3:36:36 PM

Guy has an answer for everything--like how he deflected a query about protestors at Bush's inaugural with a platitude about how that form of dissent wasn't permissible in totalitarian nations. Never mind that the protestors were confined to a designated area, forget that Bush's campaign "town hall" meetings were scripted and choreographed to such a degree that only fellow travelers were permitted entry, ignore please how the White House is going to more extreme, even Guckertesque measures to use the press to combat the free exchange of ideas and dissent. Yes, it's worse in Fuckoffistan, but come on, doesn't Guy represent the people who claim to have zero tolerance for moral relativism?

It bugs me to shit that Guy and his ilk are set in their convictions, yet only understand principles and traditions as abstracts.

Posted by: jim | Mar 8, 2005 3:48:38 PM

Northwestern is pretty conservative for a university though. I just wanted to clarify that misrepresentation in the article. I sat through many classes, many discussion sections, and many conversations there.

Posted by: Steve C | Mar 8, 2005 4:05:11 PM

I don't see how this is all that remarkable -- going from "schoolyard taunt" to "conservative political discourse" isn't exactly a quantum leap.

Posted by: Chris Rasmussen | Mar 8, 2005 4:36:55 PM

What makes young conservatives so focused? Personally, I've always blamed the rigid fixations so many of the more dogged College Republicans I've met on Asperger's Syndrome.

Either that, or they're just Ass Burgers.

Posted by: Kagro X | Mar 8, 2005 5:01:59 PM

Steve - Indeed. That was a constant complaint in NU's political circles. When I left last year, they were still fighting to get a larger multicultural center, which I don't think would take even a 5-second struggle at your average U.

Posted by: Dave Weigel | Mar 8, 2005 5:07:41 PM

I guess the analogy to an academic conservative would be a southern liberal.

But this is all bullshit. Some people are just good at this. There are a lot of great, well honed liberal thinkers coming out of American Universities, too, but there just isn't the support structure for them.

Posted by: Boronx | Mar 8, 2005 6:04:39 PM

With all due respect, I've never held a conversation with a campus conservative -- College Repub or otherwise -- that didn't end with him outright lying about something and me calling him on it. All it requires is a basic understanding of the issue you're talking about and the knowledge that he's going to try to pull a fast one at some point, so all you have to do is watch out for it.

Posted by: Kimmitt | Mar 8, 2005 6:34:36 PM

You're right, Ezra, it is a great article. I, however, didn't take away from it that campus conservatives are more informed and dynamic, but that they're less human. I mean that seriously: this individual has forfeited a tiny sliver of his humanity, that sliver of individuality and self-directed rational thought.

As a liberal, not just politically but intellectually, I have to believe that the future of the world is not this guy and his ilk. It's like the Hubert Humphrey quote from the 1968 campaign about how happy he was to hear people criticize the disorganization of his organization. He said "thank God!" because we know who we are: people who think and act. That is entirely foreign to them. Only the 'them' in Humphrey's case were the Soviets, whereas ours are closer to home and more powerful.

Posted by: Marshall | Mar 8, 2005 6:58:53 PM

Dave Weigel - I just graduated in December of 2004 myself.

Posted by: Steve C | Mar 8, 2005 6:58:57 PM

If you want this guy's counterpart, go find the liberal at the conservative Christian college. They exist and they're in the minority.

Posted by: Kathy | Mar 8, 2005 7:12:45 PM

There's a lot of BS and gross generalizations in this piece below.

Let's start with:

Then it came to me: like others on the right, he’s better at messaging because he’s been forced to spend every second of his college career arguing with liberals. So he and his friends pool their resources and hone their arguments and become virtually unbeatable. The same thing doesn’t happen for liberals at elite schools. We get good at arguing about how classist the drug war is and how subversive porn is. Then we get out into the real political world and just don’t have the chops to win an argument – or an election.

Give me a break. I went to an "elite" school and my fellow progressives and feminists spent "every second" of our time arguing with the frats to convince them that sexual assault was and is not OK, that Res Life should hold actually enforce the sexual assault policy rather than blaming the victim and slapping the perpetrator on the wrist, fighting the entrenched, conservative male establishment to change policies, etc. Every liberal and feminist I knew wasn't as cowed as Ezra apparently is by the mighty conservative phallus and we could all win an argument if not the presidential election all by ourselves.

I'm sure other college students can back me up on the truth of this. I'm not really sure how you counteract it, but it really does seem that there's a Jackie Robinson effect here -- being a vocal conservative on campus is so hard (and, in all honesty, it actually is, at least at UC)

Give me another break. It's pretty easy to be an oustpoken, especially white male conservative on campus, you've got a whole bunch of other older white men to back you up and a system that was set up just for you. And your pals and idols currently run the entire country. Try being an outspoken feminist or GLBT activist right now. I'm so sick of this white male victimhood that conservatives play out and some progressives pick up on and have sympathy for. Wow, gee, isn't Guy great because he's only 19 and so outspoken and firm in his beliefs? Ever hear a story about how great some campus feminist activist was for their work on any number of issues? It's real easy to be Guy right now.

They're alos, as a result of perceived persecution, much more committed to the success of their movement.

Have you ever met a real activist? Maybe you should find students who are actually persecuted like a good friend of mine who got plenty of hell and hate for being gay at a "red state" university and opposing an anti-GLBT ballot initiative. Ever know anyone who set up a closet prop on National Coming Out Day and had it burned down that night? Ever had all your advertising stolen for an event about abortion?

I don't know why some progressives feel the need to worship the next articulate, outspoken, and young conservative. How about you start talking about how amazing the progressive, feminist, GLBT, etc. activists are for actually fighting and winning against the power structure that is geared against them.

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