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August 06, 2007

Right to the Center

Matt Miller writes:

Consider John Edwards, who the press and Republicans have cast as the heartthrob of the resurgent “left”. The centrepiece of Mr Edwards’ agenda is a call for universal health coverage. It sounds radical to American ears, perhaps. But Margaret Thatcher would have been chased from office in the UK if she had proposed a health plan as radically conservative as Mr Edwards’ – under which private doctors would supply the medicine, and years would still pass with millions of Americans uncovered.

Mr Edwards wants to lift the minimum wage substantially, and to boost wage subsidies for low-income work besides. But the outer limits of Mr Edwards’ ambition would leave low income work less generously compensated than the minimum wage and subsidy blend enacted by Britain’s New Labourites Tony Blair and Gordon Brown – arrangements Conservative party leader David Cameron says suit him just fine.

On taxes, Mr Edwards wants to return marginal rates for high earners from 35 per cent to the 39.6 per cent level that existed under Bill Clinton – rates slightly lower than those in force after Mrs Thatcher got through cutting them. Mr Edwards jawbones against outsized CEO pay that is divorced from performance – a concern that arch-capitalist Warren Buffet trumpets at every opportunity. Mr Edwards’ plans for college aid would still leave American graduates far deeper in debt than anything conservative parties across Europe would tolerate.

Mr Edwards and others question the received wisdom that “free trade is good no matter how many people get hurt”, but here again, this is not as “leftist” as some seem to think. We know this from the recent American debate on immigration, where not a single market-loving economist made the case for unfettered immigration of unskilled workers. Why not? Because of the social havoc it would cause. [...]

I could go on, but you get the point. The fact that a Thatcher-Cameron-Buffet agenda can be hyped as “populist” says more about propaganda success and media norms than anything else. Over three decades, America’s conservative movement has so deftly shifted the boundaries of debate to the right that even modest adjustments to the market system can be cast as the second coming of Marx without anyone blushing.

America's political consensus is almost absurdly to the right. But because people still need to run to the left of each other, the rhetoric on offer frequently sounds like the rhetoric of the left, even as its actual prescriptions are decidedly within the mainstream of our fairly conservative consensus on economics. And vice versa in other countries, where rhetoric of the right can refer to almost comically leftist policies. where the center is much further left -- and in other countries, the precise opposite happens.

The French election was an excellent example. The rhetoric there was much the same as the rhetoric here, but it was actually referring to a consensus far to the left of ours, and so even the right wing radical Sarkozy was offering nothing but a couple market-friendly tweaks across the edges of France's expansive public sector. He's further to the Left than anyone running in America. Here, John Edwards is speaking boldly for the left, but doing little more than shoring up some holes of inefficiency and insecurity within our market-heavy approach. His support for the 40-hour, rather than 35-hour, workweek puts him considerably to Sarkozy's right.

Part of the lesson here, incidentally, is that large scale social reforms are incredibly hard to rollback. No American politician would publicly question the existence of Medicare, though many on the right viciously opposed its creation. Same goes for Social Security, which Bush, in 2000, promised to leave untouched, and which, in 2005, gave him his first major defeat when he attempted to privatize it.

One day, when we have a universal health care system, even hardline conservatives will promise to strengthen and protect it, and they will disavow their forefathers who battled so mightily against its passage. The fight for the passage of major social programs is infinitely harder than the battles for their perpetuation.

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Miller doesn't seem to appreciate how entrenched the corporate and wealthy interests are in American politics. What Edwards is proposing is bold given our interest politics dynamic. It is also the only agenda that is attempting to move the consensus in an appreciably left leaning direction.

Posted by: AJ | Aug 6, 2007 12:11:53 PM

Here, John Edwards is speaking boldly for the left.

No. He is speaking boldly on behalf of American progressivism. If he were speaking boldly on behalf of the Left, he would be talking more about capital.

Posted by: john | Aug 6, 2007 12:44:03 PM

I am a progressive, not a lefist. There is no left in America. That we pretend there is- is itself a GOP redscare framing of the discussion. We buy into their narrative even when we think we are fighting against it. I see any number of liberals do that on this blog.

Posted by: akaison | Aug 6, 2007 3:06:58 PM

The fact that a Thatcher-Cameron-Buffet agenda can be hyped as “populist” says more about propaganda success and media norms than anything else. Over three decades, America’s conservative movement has so deftly shifted the boundaries of debate to the right that even modest adjustments to the market system can be cast as the second coming of Marx without anyone blushing.

The set-up was good, but his conclusion is wrong. US conservatives now are far more left than they were 40 years ago, on the whole. The US has long been more conservative than Europe, but not because the Right has moved the discourse. Socialism never took hold here in the way it did in Europe, and that still matters.

It's all relative. In the US, Democrats are Left, Republicans Right.

Posted by: Sanpete | Aug 6, 2007 3:18:11 PM

Fourty years ago US conservatism premier politician was Barry Goldwater. It's premier pundit was William F. Buckley. Neither of these two are at all representative of the mainstream of contemporary US conservatism. We're suppose to believe that this is because US conservatism has moved to their left?

In 1968 conservatives elected noted red hunter Richard M. Nixon to the US Presidency. By today's conservative's standards he would be rated a far left Liberal.

Some folks are impervious to such realities.

Posted by: WB Reeves | Aug 6, 2007 3:40:31 PM

Agree with WB. The conservatives who run the GOP today are reactionary. Goldwaters daughter or maybe it was granddaughter did this documentary recently, and in an interview, as I remember she said that he would not recognize the GOP today as being his party. There is some credence to that. I disagreed with him on politics, but he was principled, and when it came to gay rights he was an early on supporter even as the Clintons moved further supposed right on the issue.

Posted by: akaison | Aug 6, 2007 3:43:10 PM

How many conservatives now are members of the John Birch Society? Used to be a sizable share, with many others sympathetic. How many are opposed to racial integration, including "mixed marriage"? How many are opposed to women working? How many think adultery and gay sex should be illegal? How many think the Vietnam War was a good idea? How many oppose Medicare and universal health care? Those were mainstream conservative views--and well represented among Democrats too. Goldwater's views on pot and gays were once on the very fringe of the his party, but are now far more common there, despite the swing to the Right over the last 15 years (not 40) in terms of office holders. Don't look only at aberrations like Nixon (what was he really?) and Bush II, who were never very representative. Look at the common views among conservatives.

Posted by: Sanpete | Aug 6, 2007 4:47:12 PM

We are- and you confuse polite racism with not being racist by the way. And I can apply that to any number of things you mention. Gays for example- hate the sin, not the sinner. Someone had an article up - NyTimes maybe- about brown (mexicans) being the new black. etc

Posted by: akaison | Aug 6, 2007 5:04:41 PM

Sanpete,
The republicans you are referring to have changed their self identification in the last 10 years from Republican to Independent. Some have even gone all the way and registered as Democrats and are active in Democratic Party politics as 'fromer Republicans'

How do you explain the disconnect between the positions taken up in the Weekly Standard, the Washington Times, the National Review, and the FOX News programs, with the more 'leftish' views of todays conservatives? Why the disconnect. I think its because the 27%ers are in charge and the leadership comes out of that segment of the party.

Posted by: Northern Observer | Aug 6, 2007 5:11:49 PM

Akaison, I'm talking about outright racism and pro-segregationist views, and you're talking about polite racism? And you say I'm confused? Hate the sin not the sinner isn't an answer to actually favoring gay civil rights in far greater numbers than 40 years ago.

NO, some have moved over, but there are far more than before (which was a very small number 40 years ago) who stay in the party. I agree that a very conservative group has disproportionate power on the Right now, but that's part of my point, that they aren't quite representative. And even they are well left of their precursors on the issues I mentioned, among others.

Posted by: Sanpete | Aug 6, 2007 5:29:31 PM

One has to ask what Sanpete's definition of conservative is. It's certainly not the one used by the recognized mouthpieces of contemporary conservatism.

Posted by: WB Reeves | Aug 6, 2007 5:39:05 PM

I'm speaking of self-identified conservatives. You have some better idea?

Posted by: Sanpete | Aug 6, 2007 5:54:42 PM

I'm speaking of self-identified conservatives. You have some better idea?

I didn't realize you had polled all "self-identified conservatives", or even a simple majority of them, which is the only basis that would provide your generalizations with credibility.

Posted by: WB Reeves | Aug 6, 2007 6:00:45 PM

WBR, would you like to challenge any particular point, or are you just yipping some more? I assume you know that there have long been opinion polls, but one need not consult them on points that are as plain as can be just from living in this country as long as we both have.

Posted by: Sanpete | Aug 6, 2007 6:11:49 PM

Sanpete, to be blunt, if you told me the sky was blue, I'd run outside and check and not because I thought you were insincere.

I'm sure I don't have to explain to you that you are responsible for supporting your own arguments and that you don't get a pass because of accidents of geography.

Posted by: WB Reeves | Aug 6, 2007 6:18:59 PM

You yip and yip and yip and have no point at all. But you keep at it just like you did. Again, feel free to actually take issue with some specific point so we can all see just how groundless your constant yipping is. What needs more support? That there used to be far more conservatives who were John Birchers, who supported segregation, what? I'll bet you do need to go check to see what color the sky is.

Posted by: Sanpete | Aug 6, 2007 6:46:28 PM

"How many think adultery and gay sex should be illegal?"

Have you heard of the Texas GOP?

"How many think the Vietnam War was a good idea?"

A disturbing number of right-wingers think Vietnam was a fine idea. This has been a hot topic for right-wing revisionists

"How many oppose Medicare... "

They oppose Medicare by stealth. Stocking the administrative henhouse with foxes and trying to privatize it as much as they can get away with.

"...and universal health care?"

As our friend J@s*n R (whisper his name), showed us, there is a cottage industry for opposing universal health care. The GOP will be using his exact same arguments when the legislative fight for UHC begins. At most they will rhetorically say they 'favor' UHC, but in reality they won't do shit about it.

Posted by: Waingro | Aug 6, 2007 8:44:27 PM

Waingro, compare the numbers now to what they were 40 years ago. There has been a big shift to the left on all these issues among conservatives. Even in Texas.

(JasonR is a libertarian; not sure he's conservative overall. Looks like he gave up on us.)

Posted by: Sanpete | Aug 6, 2007 10:27:36 PM

we are discussing the conservative leadership and where they draw their power.

Posted by: akaison | Aug 7, 2007 12:29:07 AM

an apathetic electorate is more liberal, but being apathetic means that the power of the concentrated small percentage of crazy wingnut conservatives is exaggerated. hence how we get elections that we do in the US>

Posted by: akaison | Aug 7, 2007 12:30:08 AM

i had assumed- apparently in correctly- that this was understood

Posted by: akaison | Aug 7, 2007 12:30:34 AM

That there used to be far more conservatives who were John Birchers, who supported segregation,

Your assertion, even if true, would prove nothing except that a particular organization had declined.

One that wasn't particularly partisan I might add. The most widely Known politician who was a member of the JBS was Rep. Larry MacDonald of Georgia who served during the Reagan Administration. He ran as a Democrat. If he hadn't died in 1983 chances are he'd still be representing the 7th district. That's the district that launched Newt Gingrich and repeatedly returned him to office. The same folks who voted for McDonald voted for Gingrich.

So when you tout the decline of the JBS, I'm not particularly impressed. Here, ideas that animated the JBS haven't gone away, they've just found new modes of expression through the Georgia GOP.

Besides the JBS, even during its hey day, was never considered to be the bellweather of US conservatism.

As for using the open espousal of segregation as a marker, Goldwater era conservatives didn't, as a rule, defend segregation per se, they opposed Federal action to end it. They claimed to be defending federalism against the encroachments of the central government. So "conservatives"saying that they don't support segregation isn't anything new either.

Posted by: WB Reeves | Aug 7, 2007 1:35:14 AM

And I suspect that as tolerance for either extreme of the political spectrum falls, the center inches right Just a guess

Posted by: RW | Aug 7, 2007 1:40:34 AM

And I suspect that as tolerance for either extreme of the political spectrum falls, the center inches right Just a guess

That's an interesting guess. Do you believe this is only true in the present, or do you think the US's political trajectory has been rightward throughout its history?

Posted by: WB Reeves | Aug 7, 2007 2:04:51 AM

I guess I was thinking of it as limited to post-war democracies, if only because left and right start to break down further back.

I dont know that there has been a rightward teleology -- I just think of periods where there was more diversity of political opinion than that currently represented by the two parties, and think the center tended to be center left. The most reactionary era in American politics before 2001-2004 was McArthy, and it was about nothing if not squelching everything to the left of mainstream liberalism. Kennedy and Johnson eras, by contrast, were characterized by political insurgencies on both sides, like Wallace and Goldwater on the right and King and Malcolm X and SDS on the left.

Possible explanatory hypotheses in the American context:
1. Tolerance for political diversity is simply more likely to be a value of the center left than the center right
2. The dynamic between the center left and the left is different than the dynamic between the center right and the right. Faced with an insurgent left, liberals will move right to avoid the association with them, whereas conseratives will move right to try to capture an insurgent right.

Posted by: RW | Aug 7, 2007 2:23:12 AM

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