June 30, 2007
My column on eschewing values in foreign policy rhetoric has sparked a fascinating salon of sorts over at Obsidian Wings. Go scroll around and learn why I'm wrong, and why I'm right, and why I'm understandable. I'll have a longer post on this stuff later, but for now, I'm just tossing up some content before I go fly kites.
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Have fun, jerk. It's been raining all week here.
Posted by: Stephen | Jun 30, 2007 12:31:29 PM
My goodness, that's heavy stuff at OW for a Sat. AM. Katherine was great.
I think Ezra's concerns about foundational motif's being abused is right, but I suspect we must have them to knit things together - over time. But, the conservatives are so much better at hiding their shit under these tents than the liberals that one is tempted to just burn down the tents and make general havoc of their postures.
Like so much of life, it's the extremes and abuses that end up seeming to be the standard. I'm tempted to trivialize the debate by suggesting that value (or hate) words can turned on their abusers - if you are willing to fight like a SOB. Dems just don't fight well enough so the bullies win almost by default.
Well, fly your kite(s) - after starting a good debate. Here it's warm, sunny, and we have our river front park blues festival coming up July 4th through the weekend after, (clearly more awesome than a crashed kite), so eat your heart out DCitizens.
Posted by: JimPortlandOR | Jun 30, 2007 2:42:48 PM
I think the foreign policy that you are talking about correlates very strongly with the ideas developed in New America Foundation's Anatol Lieven and John Hulsman's "Ethical Realism." Go buy it--it is about a foreign policy guided by an ethic of responsibility, but divorced from the pie-in-the-sky moralizing of both the neocons and the liberal hawks.
Posted by: A.E. | Jun 30, 2007 4:31:55 PM
"...if you are willing to fight like a SOB. Dems just don't fight well enough so the bullies win almost by default."
Funny Jim, after years of a regular, I have again dynamited my bridge to ObsWi, based on that exact sentiment. I find those people entirely too reasonable and...nice...for my tastes.
Posted by: bob mcmanus | Jun 30, 2007 4:53:50 PM
Kites, eh? One can take a boy out of Santa Cruz, but one can't take all the Santa Cruz out of the boy. Good to hear.
Posted by: Jacel | Jun 30, 2007 9:38:19 PM
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