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April 21, 2007

Carbon Taxes: Now with Senatorial Approval

by Nicholas Beaudrot of Electoral Math

Brad Plumer highlights Chris Dodd's proposal for something he calls (Dodd, that is) dubs a "Corporate Carbon Tax". Carbon taxes are supposedly easier to manage and harder to defraud than cap-and-trade regimes, but they're not part of the debate in Washington because the punditocracy tut-tuts anyone who says they want to raise taxes. So it's nice to see Dodd making a big step to make carbon taxes part of the debate in Washington, rather than just right-of-center pundits imagining solutions that will never happen.

The difficulty question, of course, is which right-of-center politician Dodd could find to support a carbon tax over cap-and-trade. I suppose the Corn Belt Republicans have no reason to prefer one to the other, so maybe Chuck Grassley (R-IA), whose record when it comes to IRS oversight suggests he wants a small government, but cares about how effective it is, might be a good start.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but my guess is that the average voter doesn't understand either a carbon tax or a carbon offset.

I haven't thought (in more than a flippant way) how to do it, but some kind of value-added tax (VAT) could be repositioned and renamed to be understandable. If some of the bread from Safeway in Portland Oregon is made in a bakery in San Diego CA (and it is), then that bread should reflect the carbon consumed and output in transporting it a thousand miles or more - benefiting local suppliers and penalizing remote suppliers. I don't think asparagus from Chile makes good sense, and I should be paying for the added carbon to get it to Portland. Call the tax the Carbon-Added Tax, or the Extra Transportation Added Tax, or whatever.

Posted by: JimPortlandOR | Apr 21, 2007 10:22:16 PM

Re: the point about a carbon tax being better than cap-and-trade, it's worth mentioning that cap-and-trade is effectively a combination of a carbon tax and an energy subsidy (start at the bottom of page 24, section 3.3.2)

One would guess from this that the energy co's would go for cap-and-trade first. Yet another reason why in a perfect world the American public would be math-literate...

Posted by: mk | Apr 22, 2007 2:55:18 AM

Dodd's proposal is near insane populaism.

1) Corporations don't, in fact, pay taxes. They collect them, for sure, but they're always paid by some combination of the workers, investors and customers. By saying that you'll tax the companies you hide this from voters.
2) Huge amounts of emissions don't come from companies. Rather from domestic buildings and personal transport.

If you're going to have a carbon tax then it needs to be neutral as to the emitter: after all, each CO2 molecule causes exactly the same amount of problems.

Double the Federal Gas tax as a first step (something I've been arguing for for years) and then I might agree that politicians are actually willing to do something serious about this problem.

Posted by: Tim Worstall | Apr 22, 2007 8:09:04 AM

I think the marginal difference between cap and trade and carbon tax is more than offet by the political cost of the three letter word: tax. I also have a great deal of suspicion that:

A: Many of these right leaning carbon tax supporters will be on board until it looks like it has chance of passing. It's easy now becuase there isn't a viable proposal. So instead of momentum, you'll have a sysiphean political task.

B: Any carbon tax that is likely to get enacted is going to be so watered down as to not actually be high enough to reduce carbon.

This whole thing, the API supporters not Dodd, seems like a misdirection play to me.

Posted by: AJ | Apr 22, 2007 8:09:33 AM

I don't think the left will be satisfied with a carbon tax for the simple reason that it's not progressive enough. To simply say that those that consume more will pay more doesn't cut it with income tax so why should they swallow it with a consumption tax?

By saying that you'll tax the companies you hide this from voters.

Tim is correct. One of the main goals of the high tax crowd is to hide the amount of taxation taxpayers are paying.

Posted by: Fred Jones | Apr 22, 2007 9:00:54 AM

I posted this over at Brad Plumer's place. And while I certainly can't "wonk" it effectively, I think the political effect is pretty clear.

One of the things that makes a carbon tax appealing is its similarity to what are called "sin taxes." And I think that could be a pretty good argument.

Even more interesting about the "sin tax" concept of carbon is the public's general embrace of sin taxes. We find all types of taxes on liquor, cigarettes, etc. to be relatively palatable. If one could advance the argument that the carbon tax is just a "sin tax" on unclean living--environmentally, that is--I think the public would embrace it.

NOTE: As I make this argument, I find it ironic that the Republican governor and legislators here in Mississippi have fought tooth and nail to keep our state from changing towards a higher tax on cigarettes and lower sales tax on groceries. Most polls show the public favors reducing the 7.5% sales tax on groceries, with a corresponding increase of the nation's lowest cigarette tax. But, sin taxes don't have lobbyists, so the Republicans win this one--at least this legislative session.

Posted by: Ken in MS | Apr 22, 2007 9:41:33 AM

I don't know if it's a perfect proposal; like Brad, I suspect a general carbon tax with offsets in the income tax, payroll tax, or just a straight refund would do the trick. But no one else has the stones to talk about carbon taxes. So, props to Dodd.

Posted by: Nicholas Beaudrot | Apr 22, 2007 9:53:13 AM

Ken, you're quite right. On the other hand, how popular would the sin tax on cigarettes be if everyone smoked a pack a day?

And really, that's why we need the tax, because we need to generate the revenue to invest in infrastructure so that people are less reliant on carbon. It's a chicken and egg sort of situation.

Posted by: Sam L. | Apr 22, 2007 11:59:59 AM

How is Dodd showing balls here? He's proposing a corporate carbon tax, using the "big, bad" corporate world as the scapegoat. A carbon tax, to be effective, needs to be on the general populace. You and I need to be taxed. There is no leadership in this proposal.

Posted by: DM | Apr 22, 2007 12:40:11 PM

I think carbon taxes are fine as a strategy to mitigate global warming, and the more visible and transparent, the better. For those who favor high taxes to support universal healthcare and other social programs, however, taxation is one area where transparency is a bad thing. With the possible exception of high income tax rates for the wealthy, tax strategy generally means trying to pluck the most feathers off the goose for the least amount of squawking. To make that happen, legislators (and lobbyists for the programs) prefer obfuscation to transparency.

Posted by: BC | Apr 22, 2007 2:33:00 PM

ALGORE is a perfect example of how regressive a carbon tax on individuals would be. As he crows about how he 'offsets' his outrageous carbon pollution by buying credits, he proves that the rich will not suffer or change much. Cheryl Crow and ALGORE will still be flying around in private jet aircraft asking you to take the hit.

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