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February 24, 2007

Détente With Iran

By Ankush

The new issue of Foreign Affairs features a great essay by Ray Takeyh calling for détente with Iran.  By virtue of limitations of time (on television) and space (in print), it is rare to see such a lucid piece on Iran that deals thoughtfully with all of the complexities of our current predicament.

Takeyh's critical observation is that, for our purposes, the important division in Iranian politics is not the one between conservatives and reformers but, rather, the one between the hardliners and pragmatists within Iran's "new right." In the former camp is President Ahmadinejad (whose influence is deliberately exaggerated by the Bush administration), while in the latter is Ali Larijani, Iran's chief nuclear negotiator, as well as a number of people who in recent years have risen in the ranks of the country's government. The pragmatists, Takeyh argues, can be strengthened if the US commits itself to "open direct negotiations" with the purpose of normalizing relations with Iran. Interestingly -- and this goes to the whole question recently of whether people who counsel against military action are actually arguing we take that option "off the table" -- Takeyh argues that there is "no realistic military option against Iran" but, later, claims that the argument that we should pledge not to attack Iran "reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of how the Islamic Republic perceives its power and its place in the Middle East today." I can't do the whole thing justice so, as the kids say, take some time out to read the whole thing, while the rest of the country is closely following the latest movements of Anna Nicole Smith's body.

I would add, however, that in evaluating the foreign policy visions of the Democratic presidential contenders, I'm most interested right now in seeing some leadership on the issue of Iran.  As someone who opposed the Iraq war, I'm less interested in the half-assed apologies, the debates about apologies, the star power of the candidates, or their almost incoherent ramblings. Obama's opposition to the Iraq war clearly says a great deal about his instincts, but, with respect to moving forward, he and the other Democratic frontrunners have more or less coalesced around a similar, core position on the necessity of withdrawal from Iraq, and it's entirely possible that by November of next year, even the Republican candidate will be advocating as much.  Iran isn't an existential threat to world peace, nor does it pose the same difficulties as Iraq did in 2002, but this issue provides the candidates with an opportunity to demonstrate who has truly been searching through the rubble of the Iraq war for lessons about how to approach the world.

Update: In comments, Atrios picks up on some poorly chosen words on my part and asks, "what difficulties did Iraq pose in 2002?"  Basically what I was trying to say was that the two situations aren't analogous, which is obvious but which I wanted to make clear because what I wrote might've otherwise suggested a reductive comparison on my part.  Every country with which the US is on poor terms poses "difficulties" -- policy problems -- in a very generic sense, and the seriousness of those problems will vary.  (Sanctions against Iraq weren't in place for no reason, and of course there was a humanitarian problem in Iraq.  The question was whether to do anything about it.)  As I wrote above, I opposed the war, and as I've written before, I get very annoyed when politicians who supported the war blame the intelligence for their poor decision (as if the information was irretrievably tainted, which it wasn't).

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Well, Obama for one said explicitly that he would negotiate with Iran and Syria during his 60 Minutes interview.

Posted by: andrew levine | Feb 24, 2007 5:42:32 PM

It's true that there isn't much difference between the stances on Iraq, but the same is true of Iran, as far as I can tell. All the Democratic candidates I've heard have said they favor direct talks with Iran. Which is a good idea, I think, even if it would probably accomplish very little in the short term.

Posted by: Sanpete | Feb 24, 2007 5:50:40 PM

Yeah, I didn't mean to single out the Bill Richardson piece to indicate he has a singularly good position.

And andrew and sanpete, you're both right. But I think the way the candidates can distinguish themselves is by talking about what the goal of negotiations is -- Takeyh makes a good case for a full normalization of relations, not just negotations focused on ending Iran's nuclear program -- and by demonstrating an understanding of the nuances of the situation. It's early, I realize, and I don't expect them to flesh out their positions tomorrow, but I just meant to argue that that's something I'm looking for in the future. This boilerplate about negotiations is good, but, amongst the Democratic candidates, it's become just that.

And frankly, I'm not sure about Edwards. I know his statements at the Herzliya conference and to Ezra are possibly reconcilable, but, as my link ("almost incoherent ramblings") indicated, I'm bothered about the contrast between those statements in the same way that John Judis is.

Posted by: Ankush | Feb 24, 2007 5:58:10 PM

The Takeyeh article is very rational. The paradigm change he calls for is clearly beyond what Cheney/Bush LLP could accept as a basis for policy.

If I were Obama, I'd have this article prominent in my briefing book under the heading of Iran. If his current popularity turns into polling leadership and a a leader's shot at the nomination, then elements of this plan would be a good place to start educating the public as to an alternative and better way of moving forward. I'm not sure if it is possible to move the media in this direction however.

The real issue that precedes a new policy is recognition that a military solution or a economic blockade won't work with Iran. Or put another way, can the momentum that Cheney/Bush is gaining for a air/sea attack be reversed or held off until Bush is out of office. At this moment, I don't think so. The public still hates the indignity inflicted on the US by the Embassy hostages of 30 years ago, the media likes wars and is captured by conservative memes, and Bush will want to leave office claiming he was firm and did all the right things to assert our imperial ambitions. Bush won't have to clean up the mess, and he knows it.

So, my question is, can Bush be held back long enough to prevent a US attack (perhaps under some subterfuge) on Iran, so that the next President can start afresh on a new policy?

Many pundits and blog-people think this isn't a problem, that Bush won't attack. The one thing they don't have is ANY evidence Bush is being cautious or really doesn't want war with Iran. When Bush says things like 'we don't intend to attack Iran', that reminds me of 2002 when he said similar things.

The showdown on the Iranian nuclear issue is approaching over the next few months (with the recent IAEA report being filed). Perhaps we can seem from US actions where Bush's intent really is leading. When he doesn't get UNSC approval for hard sanctions or an attack (and he won't), will he begin talking about American go-it-alone actions with a 'coalition of the willing'?

Posted by: JimPortlandOR | Feb 24, 2007 7:03:30 PM

I think there's a line worth noting here. A candidate for such high office should, for pragmatic reasons, not delve too much into the nitty gritty of foreign policy for several reasons, at this juncture.

Richardson does an admirable job without crossing the line. Others haven't put forth as well as Richardson has; they haven't approached the line, really.

Here's what I mean: an analyst like Takeyh can delve into the details and rationales at length. Were a candidate to do so, they coul;d be attacked for some arcane matter, perhaps some poor choice of a word, and their full message could get lost amid the smear campaign that follows. That happens too frequently in a media too willing to chase superficial tangents that serves the purpose of a particular political ideology. The KISS principle applies.

A candidate may also choose to add flesh to barebones points for the sake of timing. Saving your best for a the most opportune moment in a campaign can be critical. It does mo disservice to the country to pick that moment, for if yours is trult the best for the country, then increasing the odds of getting elected to implement it would also seem best.

Finally, and perhaps most critical, if one over-defines the detail, it telegraphs to Tehran (or any nation under discussion) exactly what you're willing to bring to the table, permit at the table, and what you intend to gain at the table.

Saying there should be a table and who's at it is often enough to convey. Once negotiations begin, one can then opt to ask for the moon in pursuit of a quarter moon.

I've seen a tendency in your past complaints on this matter to mention Edwards a lot while disclaiming no specific opposition to him. And from what I can tell, Edwards has simply been earlier than most of the others in indicating he erred and in trying to clarify his position, but without getting so detailed as to lose his major points amid the cacaphony of nitpicking that would inevitably result.

Granted, some Dems (and Lincoln Chafee) discerned at the outset that the intel wasn't up to snuff. Dean, Dodd, Kennedy, Byrd, Feingold, for example. One hopes those that erred would learn from the experience and not be duped in the future. But it's important to recognize that it really wasn't the intel agencies doing the duping, but Bush and the ideologues with a pre-set agenda.

Thus, if any Dem candidate were to become President, such deliberate dupers would not be in the mix. So the practical questions to ask of the Dem candidates is "who do they trust for foreign policy advice" or "who'd be on their short list for positions like SecDef and SecState?"

That would reveal a lot more about their judgment without forcing them into too much detail that could prove detrimental to their campaigns or to subsequent foreign policy negotiations.

Ultimately, because all the candidates have past records to run on, I'm sure we can find judgment errors each has made. It's not surprising to me that this has already has yielded the three with the thinnest Congressional records as the trio leading the polls. Which forces us to look to their public and private occupations PRIOR TO their Senate careers to see how apt their judgment has been.

As I look at the field of GOP candidates, I see an awful lot of poor judgment and pandering hypocrisy. When I view the Democratic field with the same filter, I'd say that Richardson, Dodd, Obama and Edwards hold up well compared to their announced peers.

Posted by: Kevin Hayden | Feb 24, 2007 8:09:15 PM

I hope you can understand that despite my typing errors. I guess my ambition to be Keyboarder-In-Chief is permanently shot now.

;-)

Posted by: Kevin Hayden | Feb 24, 2007 8:13:36 PM

I'd be happier with nuance in relation to Iraq than Iran, since Iraq is the more pressing problem. But nuance on both would be great. That doesn't necessarily mean the candidate needs to cross into what Kevin worries about; awareness of the nuances of policy can come out in ways that aren't all that detailed or risky.

The article is very nicely written and informative. It seems very optimistic. I wasn't able to tell why Iran should prefer good relations with the US over having its own nuclear weapon and cooler but not dangerous relations with the US. It seems to me that if we gave Iran the things Takeyh proposes for the first track of negotiations, they'd be happy to take them while continuing to attempt to jerk us and the rest of the international community around on the nuclear issues. As Takeyh notes, the UN sanctions are unlikely to materialize in a way that will damage Iran much, so they won't be desperate for whatever carrots we can give them. The more accommodationist wing Takeyh speaks of may want to be friendlier with the US, but why should they want to be that friendly? I doubt we can stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapon without lining up China, Russia and others to press hard for that. And I don't think they're inclined to do that. I don't think we can do it bilaterally.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't be more friendly with Iran. I think there is merit in Takeyh's idea, which is a reworking of older conventional wisdom, of building up the more accommodationist forces.

I wonder if Khamenei is really indecisive or, as Takeyh also suggests, just playing factions off against each other.

The one thing they don't have is ANY evidence Bush is being cautious or really doesn't want war with Iran.

Jim, we don't have any direct evidence you don't plan to attack Iran either. The evidence is indirect, and has been offered often enough.

Posted by: Sanpete | Feb 24, 2007 11:21:01 PM

The evidence is indirect, and has been offered often enough.

No, I think we should rehash it all again. You go first.

Posted by: Stephen | Feb 25, 2007 12:25:32 AM

No, let Jim go first.

Posted by: Sanpete | Feb 25, 2007 2:11:32 AM

Here's two reports from just today for Sanpete's question:

U.S. developing contingency plan to bomb Iran: report

Sunday Times [of London]: Generals To Quit If Ordered to Attack Iran

Yesterday it was reported that Israel has asked the Pentagon for air clearance for overflights of Iraq to get their warplanes to Iran, which the Pentagon is 'studying'. Since Iraq is now 'sovereign' according to Bush, I find it interesting that the US is being asked for air clearance, instead of the Iraqi government - which would surely deny it.

It totally mystifies me why anyone would believe Bush's denial of war plans when he denied the plans for Iraq, and persistent leaks indicate planning has been ongoing for an Iran attack.

I realize we plan for everything, but these leaks seem to have substance, and they fit with Bush's rhetoric and view of how to do international relations.

Even more important, Bush has a MOTIVE for War with Iran: to hide the miserable failure that is the Iraq war he and his people have given the US and the world.

I'm not going to engage Sanpete further on this topic. His mind is made up that Bush won't do it, and no amount of reporting seems to shake his faith in Bush.

I believe that Bush would attack if given the chance by events and with Pentagon agreement. Time will tell. I don't predict a war, but just think we should read the signs and prepare to scream bloody hell if he appears to be moving closer to the brink of war. We are already closer to that possibility than any sane person would wish to be.

Posted by: JimPortlandOR | Feb 25, 2007 4:33:31 AM

what difficulties did Iraq pose in 2002?

Posted by: Atrios | Feb 25, 2007 10:19:56 AM

The only potential candidate who is out in front on Iran is Wes Clark. He's been screaming from the rooftops on this and even got into a bit of trouble at HuffPost when he mentioned New York money that was fueling the drum beat to war.

He also wrote a diary at dkos Is War with Iran Inevitable?

STOP THE IRAN WAR

Posted by: trillian | Feb 25, 2007 11:14:31 AM

Regarding the Dem's so-called "frontrunners" on foreign policy, this is a serious consideration.

As our so-called "leaders: in Congress, has Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama or John Edwards EVER engaged in serious diplomatic missions with the KEY and primary leaders of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iraq and Iran to foster peace and stability during their terms and more importantly, NOW!

It's a dangerous illusion for DEMs to presume that Iraq, Iran and the ME will not affect our national security in more dire ways in the next 2 years, while they campaign for themselves, rather than lead for our country.

Posted by: DreadPirate | Feb 25, 2007 11:35:51 AM

Looking for a candidate who has spoken out on Iran? General Clark has discussed how Iraq needs a regional solution for years now and discussed how we need to "TALK TO IRAN". He has had deep concerns about this adm attacking Iran since before they invaded Iraq and said so. Last September when he campaigned with Jon Tester in Montana, I saw this deep concern first hand and Wes stated in no uncertain terms Iran as one of the reasons we needed a Dem Congress.

Want to hear about Iran? Please listen to General Clark last week on the Ed Schultz show here:

www.securingamerica.com/node/2262

And the same day on "Heading Left" on Blog Talk Radio here:

www.securingamerica.com/node/2263

And his two discussions at DailyKos here:

www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/12/122254/478

www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/22/124931/486

Then please go read and sign the petition here: www.stopiranwar.com/

Also, contact your Congress people and tell everyone you know about the impending plans to attack Iran and how we the people are the only hope to stop it.


Thank you.

Posted by: Leslie | Feb 25, 2007 11:47:40 AM

Some more reports worth a close read:

THE REDIRECTION
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH - The New Yorker 3/5/2007
Is the Administration’s new policy benefitting our enemies in the war on terrorism?

It appears that we are supporting al Queda Sunnis in Lebanon to counter the Iranian Shia influenced Hezbollah. Elliot Abrams and Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia appear tobe engaged in a re-do of Iran-Contra's hidden US foreign policy out of the Office of the Vice President, in a possible attempt to split the entire mideast into Sunni/Shia countries.

Haaretz in Israel reports: Gulf states agree to I[sraeli] AF overflights en route to Iran

LA Times reports: U.N. calls U.S. data on Iran's nuclear aims unreliable

We progressives/liberals must remember that the adults are in charge of US mideast policy, and they are very serious people [/snark].

Posted by: JimPortlandOR | Feb 25, 2007 11:56:00 AM

Trillian's post is important.

Wes Clark has been the DEMs most vocal leader and strategic thinker with gravitas who warned of Iran's emergence in the ME -- the principal benefactor of President Bush's 'strategic blunder' for war with Iraq.

"The Next Iraq Offensive By Gen. (ret.) Wesley Clark New York Times December 6, 2005

Doha, Qatar

While the Bush administration and its critics escalated the debate last week over how long our troops should stay in Iraq, I was able to see the issue through the eyes of America's friends in the Persian Gulf region. The Arab states agree on one thing: Iran is emerging as the big winner of the American invasion, and both President Bush's new strategy and the Democratic responses to it dangerously miss the point. It's a devastating critique. And, unfortunately, it is correct. ...link"

Posted by: DreadPirate | Feb 25, 2007 12:10:08 PM

The Dems don't even have a horse-race yet. Aren't these candidates pretty much the opening act at Vegas?

Wes Clark www.stopiranwar.com/ * As yet uncommitted to a run, not wanting to politicize our priority issue and having spoken loudly and clearly about Iran since 2002...(to his and our detriment it seems)

Please sign the damned petition!

The bottomline in my view, will be who can win the General Election? Who can beat Chuck Hagel?

Posted by: say_what? | Feb 25, 2007 12:32:27 PM

Jim, I was just kidding about you going first. But ....

The first article isn't exactly news. The Defense Department routinely develops plans for any contingency that might arise. Part of the point is to be ready for any contingency, part also to know just how (un)realistic the idea is. I wouldn't be surprised if Cheney and a few others would like to attack Iran and are pushing for it, but if so they're very outnumbered, unlike with Iraq. The second article bears out part of what I've been saying about that, that unlike with Iraq, the Pentagon and the Brass aren't pushing for this; on the contrary, they're actively, strongly opposed.

Don't confuse denials of plans to attack Iran with denials of contingency plans. Denials of plans means no intentions. Nobody believes Bush because he says it; the reasons to conclude it's unlikely he intends to attack Iran are independent of that. I've explained that to you specifically several times, but it just doesn't sink in. The "you just believe Bush" has been too easy a straw man to resist, I guess. But I'm glad to see that you're no longer predicting an attack.

Air clearance would have to come from the folks who control the air space, obviously. Iraq doesn't have a functioning air force.

I don't think Clark is going to get much traction in this campaign, and that we'll eventually be dealing with one of the current top three.

Posted by: Sanpete | Feb 25, 2007 12:45:50 PM

Free stopIranWar.com buttons are available here: http://stopIranWar.runwesrun.org.

Sign the petition, wear a button to spark conversation, pass out buttons for others to wear.

We have to stop this thing. General Clark has been warning about it for years. Check out the speech he gave in January 2006: http://securingamerica.com/node/560.

Posted by: shortie | Feb 25, 2007 1:02:51 PM

Dithering while the world gets ready to burn: You want to scream -- or is it that you're hearing a scream echoing back to us from the future? The latest Seymour Hersh story in the New Yorker has more to do with the world of Thomas Pynchon than with the world of cover kid Eustace Tilley. "A screaming comes across the sky." Is Bush trying to bluff and threaten the Iranians into submission? Maybe. Who knows? But as we saw in the buildup to the Iraq war, the threat of force by these guys has a way of turning into the use of force. We're rapidly approaching an apocalyptic future that has a screaming written all across the sky -- unless there's a real screaming right here, at home, on the ground.

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