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January 17, 2007

Book Club

A friend and I were lamenting our inability to actually finish nonfiction books, and musing about starting a book club to help provide some discipline. I, however, am unimpressed with my ability to regularly attend events outside my living room, and downright pessimistic about my aptitude for cleaning up after events that occur in my living room. Yet my blog remains clean and regularly updated. And so an idea struck!

So here's the question, internet people: How do you feel about a book club? I'd start an extension on this blog (ezraklein.typepad.com/bookclub, or something), folks who want to join would sign up, and we'd go from there. I'd give a couple people keys to the Caddy, so they could post up impressions, and we'd have awesome discussions full of penetrating insights, illuminating ruminations, and consciousness expanding drug trips. Plus, we'd actually finish a book. But no use going through all that if you're not interested. So: Interested? Tell me in comments. And since this probably depends at least in part on the book we'd read, let's use Michael Kazin's The Populist Persuasion as a likely candidate for the first read.

January 17, 2007 in Books | Permalink

Comments

I'd be interested. I have done this before with another website, but the book choices were all over the place, so a political book club would hold my attention.

Posted by: jbou | Jan 17, 2007 1:11:35 AM

I'm convinced that not finishing nonfiction books is fine. Generally you get 3/4 of the content in the first half the book, so why not move on to another first half? IOW, I abstain on principle.

Posted by: ptm | Jan 17, 2007 1:14:09 AM

I tend to have the same difficulty with nonfiction, along with a lack of titles I think are valuable enough to read.

So count me in. If anything will work, this probably would, and someone with opinions as strong as mine should work harder to stay informed.

Posted by: Stephen | Jan 17, 2007 1:19:09 AM

This is the first time I commented though I have been a long time reader of your blog. I really like the idea of an internet book club. Count me in.

Posted by: Joe | Jan 17, 2007 1:33:42 AM

Ditto to Joe.

Posted by: Hunter Washburne | Jan 17, 2007 2:51:52 AM

AHH!!! Stupid auto-complete!!! THIS is why I don't comment. Can someone in charge please remove my last name from the above post?

Posted by: Hunter | Jan 17, 2007 2:53:11 AM

I'm in. I tend to actually finish nonfiction books, too.

Posted by: John | Jan 17, 2007 3:00:10 AM

Sure, I'd be interested.

Posted by: Royko | Jan 17, 2007 3:11:20 AM

First a book club, and then a few years later you'll be shouting at your studio audience, "Everyone gets health care! Everyone gets health care! Everyone gets health care!"

Posted by: apantomimehorse | Jan 17, 2007 4:30:09 AM

Doesn't this break the law of nonficton books- thou shalt keep this text forever as a research tool and a test of thy resolution? Isn't the finishing of a work of nonfiction a heresy? You confuse me, Mr. Klein.

Posted by: Hawise | Jan 17, 2007 7:22:27 AM

There was a time when I read nothing but non-fiction...then, one day, I picked an old copy of Casino Royale and I have been plowing through Ian Fleming and enjoying every damn minute of it....do you think there's something wrong with me?

Posted by: marcus | Jan 17, 2007 7:43:24 AM

Sure I'm in


Posted by: mickslam | Jan 17, 2007 8:26:37 AM

I'd be interested!

Posted by: RebeccaS | Jan 17, 2007 8:37:42 AM

I'm interested.

Posted by: Gregory Thelen | Jan 17, 2007 8:39:40 AM

Never been part of either a real or a virtual book club before, but this sounds fun and worthwhile. Plus, I already own the Kazin book so this would impel me to actually read it. So sign me up.

Posted by: Ryan | Jan 17, 2007 8:51:59 AM

I'm interested. I like to set reading goals for myself and I'm trying to do 75 books this year, so I can't waste too much time picking them out, heh--and while good novels are always waiting around to be read, with friends always willing to recommend more, good nonfiction requires a little more effort to find.

Posted by: Isabel | Jan 17, 2007 9:04:47 AM

I'd be in, definitely

Posted by: Dan Miller | Jan 17, 2007 9:13:20 AM

I'd be interested in this, although living between Beirut and Paris somewhat limits my access to brand new non-fiction. Would the reading list be all new books?

Because I've been looking forward to some motivation to read those books that have been lying around for a while but which I haven't yet gotten to.

Here's a short list of some of the books in my "been meaning to read" pile:

Alistair Horne - A savage war of peace
Mohammad Asad - The road to Mecca
John Lewis Gaddis - The cold war: A new history
Isaac Deutscher - Trotsky trilogy
Richard Hofstadter - Anti-intellectualism in American life
Seymour Hersh - The Samson option
Ilan Pappe - A history of modern Palestine
Georges Antonius - The Arab awakening
Peter Balakian - The burning Tigris
Anne Applebaum - Gualag: A history
Michael Mann - The dark side of democracy

Posted by: sean | Jan 17, 2007 9:15:45 AM

I would be interested depending on the text(s).

Posted by: Sam | Jan 17, 2007 9:18:45 AM

I'm in - I never seem to get through an ENTIRE non-fic book. I skim what I'm not interested in and MAYBE get through to the end... Then I throw it on my "reference" bookshelf.

Posted by: Kat | Jan 17, 2007 9:48:26 AM

I'm in. Definitely.

Posted by: urthwalker | Jan 17, 2007 10:13:05 AM

Sounds promising to me.

Posted by: Bruce Baugh | Jan 17, 2007 10:23:46 AM

Sounds like a great idea, but I generally take months to get through a book, so I doubt it would work for me. However, let us regular readers know when a new selection comes out.

Posted by: Adrock | Jan 17, 2007 10:31:49 AM

No one else feels horribly guilty when failing to finish a book? I do. I also feel awful if I have volumes on my bookshelf that I never read. It seems like false advertising to visitors.

Posted by: moriarty | Jan 17, 2007 11:23:18 AM

I'd be interested.

Posted by: Joseph Hovsep | Jan 17, 2007 11:28:07 AM

I'd be very interested.

Posted by: nolo | Jan 17, 2007 11:28:10 AM

I'd be quite interested.

I am wondering though if I am having really bad deja vu or did you suggest this about a year ago, with no follow through?

Posted by: Dave Justus | Jan 17, 2007 11:32:35 AM

"I also feel awful if I have volumes on my bookshelf that I never read. It seems like false advertising to visitors."

I thought that was the point?

Posted by: Ezra | Jan 17, 2007 11:43:04 AM

Can I just read the first half of the book, and then read people's comments on the second half?

I'd be interested.

Posted by: Ian Knox | Jan 17, 2007 11:58:15 AM

I'd be interested though I second sam's point that it would definitely depend on the texts chosen.

Posted by: Jake | Jan 17, 2007 12:10:22 PM

Ooo! I'm IN. I really, really, really want to read For the Common Good, Cobb and Daly with lots of smart people, because they said amazing things on every other page. And I would really rather have you all over to talk in person and eat soup. But I'll do this on the internets and read some other dumb book first.

(Emerson recommended For the Common Good to me, and he was right. But I need to think even harder about it.)

Posted by: Megan | Jan 17, 2007 12:11:26 PM

This is a very good idea. All youse guys can read books, make comments, and I'll learn about the books with much less trouble. I'm two weeks and half way through Cryptomicon so you should know I won't be doing much of the heavy lifting. I will be the first with a critique though - so far, so good.

Posted by: LowLife | Jan 17, 2007 12:27:46 PM

Oh, you said nonfiction books. Nevermind.

Posted by: LowLife | Jan 17, 2007 12:29:04 PM

No one else feels horribly guilty when failing to finish a book? I do. I also feel awful if I have volumes on my bookshelf that I never read. It seems like false advertising to visitors.

I feel guilty as well -- and I also feel like all those volumes on the shelf that still have bookmarks in them are a testamment to my deception.

Posted by: nolo | Jan 17, 2007 12:55:16 PM

"let's use Michael Kazin's The Populist Persuasion as a likely candidate for the first read."

You'll never finish.

Posted by: ostap | Jan 17, 2007 1:16:15 PM

I'm up for it (I actually have belonged to a regular book club--the kind that meets in person--for over 10 years, so I have staying power). Besides, I LIKE reading nonfiction--it's fiction I have trouble finishing sometimes!

Posted by: Rebecca Allen, PhD, ARNP | Jan 17, 2007 2:09:18 PM

sounds good, i'm in.

Posted by: daniel | Jan 17, 2007 2:09:24 PM

I like reading non-fiction issues books best when I have someone to discuss/argue it with. Same thing for movies that have less-than-clear messages.

So, I'm up for the idea, as long as the books selected don't get too narrow in scope, and the club doesn't (1) end up as a chorus singing from the hymnbook, or (2) end up as a fistfight with everyone slinging epitaphs.

Posted by: JimPortlandOR | Jan 17, 2007 2:13:32 PM

yup. but this will only work for me if i have very serious deadlines. like exactly when we will all be finished by, or when we'll start discussing what chapter.

Posted by: jaimeita | Jan 17, 2007 3:00:43 PM

Absolutely interested. Oddly, I tend to have more trouble finishing novels than non-fiction books (unless that non-fiction book is by Foucault and I'm trying to read it solo).

Posted by: jhupp | Jan 17, 2007 4:23:21 PM

This prospect sounds interesting. I recently started living on my own again after spending quite some time with, ahem, someone... so I suddenly have plenty of time on my hands. Some good political reading and discussion could be just the thing to fill up some of my time.

I was just wondering what sort of structure the discussion would have. It can be a bit hard to participate in a melee (see any of Kevin Drum's comment sections for an idea of what I mean). Plus proposing a general discussion on a book in a situation where dozens of people might comment in different states of mind and with different streams of consciousness might lead to a somewhat haphazard, random discussion that is difficult to sort out... after all, a book club that meets regularly has an actual, real-time conversation where people can all stay on the same page in their thinking.

Any ideas on what you want your book club discussions to be like?

Posted by: Scott | Jan 17, 2007 5:37:55 PM

A suggestions or two:

Perhaps the club could alternate between currently 'hot' political stuff - early enough after publication that we aren't all depending on other outside reviews - and older, more classic, but influential works.

Consise and readable is good. I don't look forward to wading into some 500 pp adedemic tome.

If you can arrange it, having a way for people to suggest works and then the club vote on upcoming works for the group would be great. There should be adequate time for people to be able to purchase from Amazon or Powell's books maybe not readily available - and also to buy the book used (as both Powell's and Amazon provide). I was able today to get a copy of The Populist Persuasion used from Powell's for $14.xx including postage, instead of the $23.xx Powell's list price. Amazon had it from $11.xx plus shipping, used.

Question: are you thinking that people would be expected to have the entire work before discussion occurs, or split the discussion into two or more pieces with some time in between for reading?

Posted by: JimPortlandOR | Jan 17, 2007 5:57:08 PM

I'd give it a shot.

Posted by: jfaberuiuc | Jan 17, 2007 7:20:51 PM

I'm game. And the miracle of regional interlibrary loan means I'll have the book in a few short days.

Posted by: Autre Pays | Jan 18, 2007 1:29:36 AM

I'm in. Definitely.

But might I suggest that some of the classics be involved as well? Hume, Kant, Smith, Franklin... Even Machiavelli would be a decent addition, especially most of us that assign Machiavellian motives to (INSERT POLITICAL FIGURE HERE) tend to have never read The Prince in the first place.

But maybe I'm just weird like that.

Posted by: Off Colfax | Jan 18, 2007 2:24:49 AM

Ok.....I am actually reading three books simultaneously....The Ian Fleming collection, as stated above, Tom Ricks' excellent, "Fiasco" and rereading , almost done, for the third time. Alan Bullock's " A Study in Tyranny" about you know who.
So I guess I could fit in another,but how about Fiasco? or did everyone read that and I am behind?

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