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December 16, 2006

Johnny And The Golden Eggs

By Neil the Ethical Werewolf

I'll start with this from Rick Perlstein, a year ago:

These programs make life in America fundamentally better... these gooses, Social Security, Medicare, lay golden eggs. They manufacture Democrats.

It is the duty of every generation of Democrats to produce new geese to lay 70 years of golden eggs. It is the only way our party has grown—as Bill Kristol puts it, by reviving the reputation of the Democrats as the generous protector of middle-class interests.

There's a sizable and increasing chance that 2009 will present the Democratic Party with a historic opportunity.  The Senate calendar favors Democratic gains, and our House majority is large. Congressional investigations will degrade the Republican Party's brand identity further.  If we can get a progressive Democrat into the White House, we'll be able to do things that make American life fundamentally better, and which voters remember for decades to come.

It's this opportunity that makes the John Edwards campaign so exciting.  He's got the ambitious antipoverty program, and all indications are that a whole bunch of similarly progressive economic proposals on issues like health care are on the way.  While other candidates -- including both Obama and Clinton -- try to maintain moderate reputations by publicly distancing themselves from bold economic proposals like single-payer health care, Edwards doesn't.  I don't know for sure what sort of plan he'll come out with, but the policy guys working with him are solid progressives.  All this and his base in the labor movement make him the one candidate who can absolutely be relied on to do his best for the economic left.

I recall Hilzoy's excellent post on Barack Obama's legislative accomplishments.  He has, in fact, done a lot of good stuff in the Senate, and proven himself to be a very able legislator.  He's worked across party lines with moderates like Richard Lugar and conservatives like Tom Coburn to get some useful stuff done.  (I had no idea that anybody had done so much good stuff in the expiring session of Congress until I read Hilzoy's post.)  But it doesn't go far enough in answering the really pressing question for the next presidential election -- will Obama be able to capitalize on a historic opportunity to put solidly left-wing ideas into effect? Obama strikes me as better suited for 2000 than 2008. Obviously, his past legislative performance isn't a good sign that he won't capitalize on the historic opportunity, because he was working under conditions where nothing like that was possible. But his unwillingness to commit to left-wing proposals makes me worry that he's trying to play some kind of triangulation game.  It's still possible that he could be the guy we're looking for.  But he'll have to come out and prove it. 

Meanwhile, we've got Edwards polling ahead of McCain 43-41, while Hillary loses to McCain 47-43 and Obama loses 43-38.  As I've argued many a time before, Edwards is uniquely suited to beat McCain in a general election.  I like the way Petey put it once -- "We're through the looking glass here, people!"  This is the year where the hard data keeps showing the candidate of the left to be more likely to win than the moderate alternatives.  It's also important to remember that popularity doesn't lose all its value once you're elected -- a president's poll numbers help legislators decide whether they want to align themselves with his ideas.  We'll need that to get ambitious economic proposals through. 

If you wonder why Edwards has sort of been an idee fixe for me ever since I started blogging, that's a big part of it.  We have the means to our greatest ends at our fingertips, and I'll do whatever I can to make sure we don't throw away this historic opportunity. 

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These programs make life in America fundamentally better... these gooses, Social Security, Medicare, lay golden eggs. They manufacture Democrats. It is the duty of every generation of Democrats to produce new geese to lay 70 years of golden eggs. It is the only way our party has grown

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury."

Posted by: Fred Jones | Dec 16, 2006 4:30:15 PM

It's too early to be fighting very much about this kind of thing, but I'll go ahead and toss in some of the standard points in reply.

There is another way we might throw away our historic opportunity. We might nominate someone who can't win. If Edwards really is going to run as more lefty than Obama or whoever, we can count on him being painted as an extremist in the general election, if not already in the primaries. He's doing well in the polls now because people vaguely recall who he is and remember little more than that he looks nice and did well in the vice presidential debate.

We'll see how different Edwards looks from the others when the primaries come round. I suspect he'll be vague and triangulating too. That's how you win elections. I'm not against Edwards, but it's early to be thinking he'll look very different, and to be counting his golden eggs.

Posted by: Sanpete | Dec 16, 2006 4:39:46 PM

Sanpete, one of the things I learned a couple years ago is that people (especially swing voters, who tend to be less plugged in than the general public) don't vote for a presidential candidate by looking at their issue positions and deciding whom they're closer to. They look at caricatures of the candidates, decide whom they like better (often as they fabricate a whole set of issue positions that correspond to the caricatures), and vote on that.

You win over swing voters by nominating people whose caricatures are appealing to them. Edwards has a caricature that appeals to much of the country, and that's why he commands so much support.

Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Dec 16, 2006 4:44:46 PM

I don't disagree with you about the importance of a progressive agenda, but Iraq and the general middle east mess will still be the major issue in the next election. Bush isn't going to leave. Edwards is very poor at these foreign policy, national security issues, and I doubt he will be the candidate.

Posted by: judy | Dec 16, 2006 4:45:55 PM

This is the year where the hard data keeps showing the candidate of the left to be more likely to win than the moderate alternatives.

The force of this point is weakened by the fact that this is not the year we get to elect a new President. Or even the year next to the year, quite yet.

Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Dec 16, 2006 4:52:49 PM

Neil, it's a good point that "caricature" matters, as we might put it. Edwards hasn't been caricatured yet the way he would be as a presidential candidate, so we don't know yet how attractive he'll be after that happens. If he runs left, that will be part of the caricature. Don't be surprised if Obama ends up looking more progressive than Edwards, whether he is or not, and still appeals more to moderates too. Just "getting it" is a big part of who likes you. That was Clinton's gift. And, as I see it, Clinton was about as progressive as he could be to get elected and get anything done, as a Democrat.

Posted by: Sanpete | Dec 16, 2006 5:02:58 PM

I feel a little more confident about Obama's progressivism given that 1) He chose to work as a community organizer in South Side Chicago right out of college; 2) His profile in the Illinois legislature was more to the left than his national profile has been; and 3) most of his areas of "triangulation" have been stylistic rather than substantive.

That said, though, I like Edwards too, and would be happy to have either leading the ticket. Let's see 'em show their stuff during the primaries and see who they can impress.

I do know this: Hillary Clinton's gonna be tougher to beat in the primaries than people around here think. It's not just name ID that she's leading in the polls. Al Gore, John Kerry, John Edwards and Barack Obama have high name ID among the public too, but they're all trailing her by good margins among rank-and-file Democrats. It's that Hillary Clinton is a powerful brand name in a way the others aren't. It'll take some strong mojo to overcome that.

Anyways, here are the stump speeches they've been giving. Judge away.

Edwards in Ohio

Obama in Rhode Island

Posted by: Chris | Dec 16, 2006 5:10:13 PM

Sanpete, the caricature he's got is a pretty simple one -- he's the Southern mill worker's son who wants to help poor folks like the ones he grew up with. The care and feeding of this caricature is going to be a huge part of the Edwards campaign, and a lazy media that doesn't really bother to investigate people's issue positions and just wants flavorful candidates will be happy to just roll with it. So I think his liberal positions -- his 100% NARAL rating, for example -- will be as unremarked as they were during the VP campaign. It's just like how McCain's 0% NARAL rating hasn't attracted attention, because the media likes having a bipartisan maverick flavored guy around.

Tim, I've been following the polling for 3 years now, and it keeps saying the same thing, over and over again...

Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Dec 16, 2006 5:12:30 PM

I do know this: Hillary Clinton's gonna be tougher to beat in the primaries than people around here think.

I'm constitutionally inclined to believe that strong structural advantages matter, and that therefore you're right. But if Obama's in, I just can't see HRC winning the nomination. She's a bit like Kerry--nobody actually seems to like her as a candidate. I don't know what the demographic breakdown of the primary voter pool is, and surely that matters most, but I can't see white women going for HRC the way I would expect black voters to go for Obama. But everything's a long way away.

Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Dec 16, 2006 5:16:40 PM

Tim, I've been following the polling for 3 years now, and it keeps saying the same thing, over and over again...

We'll see. I'm not crazy about Edwards's focus--I'm not sure how popular economic populism really is--and I'm not really crazy about a Southern nominee, but I trust him more than I trust HRC, and I really don't like the DLC Southerners she hangs out with. So for me it's Obama or Edwards, at the moment. There just doesn't seem like anyone else who's viable, or even other potential candidates who seem viable. But it's all a long way off.

Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Dec 16, 2006 5:39:31 PM

If we can get a progressive Democrat into the White House

Yeah, but he said he wouldn't run.

Posted by: Alon Levy | Dec 16, 2006 5:57:02 PM

"[b]If[/b] Edwards really is going to run as more lefty than Obama or whoever, we can count on him being painted as an extremist in the general election,"

no, every democrat gets painted as an extremist. and since few voters are going to read through senate votes, its just something out there that every candidate with a -D after his/her name will deal with.

Posted by: dan | Dec 16, 2006 5:58:44 PM

Neil, the caricature he's got now is great; that which he'll have after the media and his opponents have gone after him (rather than his running mate, as happens with VP nominees) is hard to predict. Things that went unremarked before will take center stage. The press isn't all that lazy about presidential candidates; they work extra hard to find and pass along things that average viewers will respond to, and they aren't always the ones the candidates want. And the opposition isn't lazy either. There's always a fight over image, and we'll just have to wait to see if Edwards can keep his, or if he'll end up looking like a milquetoast, or an ambulance chaser, or whatever might not even have occurred to us yet. Again, I'm not wishing him ill; it's just very early to be projecting from polls and present image. But it's good that Edwards can inspire you, at least, to be so revved up already. A good sign.

On the plus side (well, sort of), if McCain reaches the general election, he'll get savaged too. That 0% NARAL rating wasn't a liability in the primaries, but it may well be in the general. Democrats won't let McCain sail by with that moderate image.

Dan, how well the painting sticks has something to do with how easy the candidate has made it. If Edwards runs left, he makes it easier for the extremist image to stick.

Posted by: Sanpete | Dec 16, 2006 6:07:28 PM

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury."

Fred, they are voting themselves such general gifts: tax cuts. And they do endanger democracy, by destroying the life chances for our children and grandchildren, socking them with unpayable bills for the future.

Medicare, social security? These were wise, fiscally sustainable programs that did the opposite. They socialized risk, and, in the long term, helped the economy by creating efficiencies.

Posted by: Rick Perlstein | Dec 16, 2006 6:17:56 PM

These programs make life in America fundamentally better... these gooses, Social Security, Medicare, lay golden eggs. They manufacture Democrats.

Surprising that neither that article, nor anyone here, have mentioned minimum wage. According to my grandmother, that was what made her a Democrat these past 74 years.

Posted by: Allen Knutson | Dec 16, 2006 7:50:50 PM

I'm enough of a geek that I sometimes Tivo the morning C-SPAN call-in show to play as background music when I'm doing boring tasks. It's an excellent way to keep up with the zeitgeist of the old and cranky. This week I heard something that encapsulates the Joy of Johnny as well as anything:

From the sound of the voice, it was an old and white guy. He was calling in from Missouri on the Republican line. The topic was who you wanted to see win the WH in '08, and he said he liked Tancredo, McCain, and Edwards.

Edwards is a Democratic Reagan, flat and simple. He's partisan and ideological re-alignment packed into a body.

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I love starting the rollout from the Ninth Ward. How absolutely correct is that?

And I think timing this for the Xmas/New Years space is spot-on. It's a dead news week, and thus an excellent time to make a deep impression.

The HRC/Obama story is going to eat up a lot of news oxygen over the next 6 months, but slow, steady, strong, and smart wins the race.

And if you already see the logic of Johnny, tell your off-line friends too.

Posted by: Petey | Dec 16, 2006 8:05:24 PM

Anti poverty should be a winner but it doesn't seem to be. Today's soccer mom really doesn't care if the single mom taking her order at the drive thru can feed her kids.

Posted by: Don | Dec 16, 2006 8:37:42 PM

He's...ideological re-alignment packed into a body.

That's what scares the hell out of some of us who aren't from the South.

Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Dec 16, 2006 8:45:35 PM

That's what scares the hell out of some of us who aren't from the South.

I have no idea what this means.

John Edwards supports a withdrawal of troops from Iraq. Not, a withdrawal at some point in the future- withdrawal that starts now.

John Edwards supports a massive reorientation of government programs toward wiping out poverty, in American and abroad.

John Edwards supports real universal health care, strengthening of unions, reproductive choice, civil liberties...

I mean, he's the best progressive in the race who doesn't closely resemble a garden gnome. What does it matter to you, as a progressive, if he's good at selling progressivism to a large swath of the electorate that otherwise wouldn't be as interested? Isn't that a good thing, one of the best possible things, rather than something to be worried about?

Posted by: DivGuy | Dec 16, 2006 9:45:04 PM

. What does it matter to you, as a progressive, if he's good at selling progressivism to a large swath of the electorate that otherwise wouldn't be as interested?

I think it depends on how you see the process working. You say "selling." I expect selling and dealing, and worry about what Southern conservatives who formed the Bush base will require for their end of the deal. ("Roosevelt needed the support of Southern Democrats for his New Deal programs, and therefore decided not to push for anti-lynching legislation that might threaten his ability to pass his highest priority programs.") I don't think it would (or at least I really hope it wouldn't) require selling out African-Americans; I hope that those rights are so well-rooted that it wouldn't be possible to sell them out. I worry instead that we might have to accept a new understanding of the importance of due process, and a different notion of "fairness." As that's what bothers me most about the last five years, from my perspective, that would really suck.

Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Dec 16, 2006 10:47:38 PM

SCMT -

Edwards is announcing his candidacy in the Lower Ninth Ward of New Orleans! Why would you worry that he of all people would sell out african-americans? He's more focused on issues that directly affect the african-american community than anyone in the race.

Bill Clinton was willing to sell out african-americans on a number of issues, and the business center-left has maintained that position. I'd be much more worried about Hillary or Gore on that front than Edwards, who's solidly opposed to the business center-left.

Posted by: DivGuy | Dec 16, 2006 11:46:06 PM

As I said, I don't think we'll be selling out African-Americans; I think we'll be selling out civil liberties in general, and due process in specific. They just have a different understanding of the meaning and import of those things, and I worry that we'll have to accept their version.

Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Dec 17, 2006 1:51:33 AM

"Hillary Clinton's gonna be tougher to beat in the primaries than people around here think."

HRC is going to be very difficult to beat in the primaries. Anyone who doesn't think that doesn't understand the rules of the game.

But the Dean Devolution of control to the state parties is a good deal of what makes the Edwards bid possible. HRC is going to own the national party, but Edwards owns the Iowa state party and while he doesn't yet own the Nevada state party, he's got a better hold on it than anyone else at the moment.

Win the early states and let the national party see if it can stop a steamroller. It's a doable path.

Posted by: Petey | Dec 17, 2006 2:28:35 AM

The press isn't all that lazy about presidential candidates; they work extra hard to find and pass along things that average viewers will respond to, and they aren't always the ones the candidates want.

Okay, this is a statement that just can't go unchallenged. In my opinion, the press is supremely lazy about presidential candidates. They pick a narrative early and nothing will shake them from it. It is vital that any Democrat that gets the nomination understand this. As someone upthread said, the Democrat is the race is going to be characterized by the Republicans as an extremist of one stripe or another. They need to be prepared to challenge lazy reporting from the second they secure the nomination.

Posted by: Col Bat Guano | Dec 17, 2006 1:17:37 PM

They need to be prepared to challenge lazy reporting from the second they secure the nomination.

True enough, but I'd add that a big part of the operation is making the press' laziness work for them rather than against them.

Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Dec 17, 2006 1:56:08 PM

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