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September 26, 2006

James Webb For Senate

This is by far the best ad I've seen this cycle:



I've not bugged folks to donate this cycle, but if you are planning to drop some scratch, Webb would by my pick of the Senate candidates to donate to. He's got an excellent opportunity to beat a particularly loathsome Republican, in a critical Southern state that's trending blue, and he's hampered by nothing save a lack of money. Moreover, unlike just about any other Democrat running today, he'd offer the Senate Democratic Caucus a voice thrumming with real and deep credibility on national security issues, which would pay off for years to come. So, if you can, donate.

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this guy says he wants to end 'occupation' in Iraq and bring peace. However, he fails to mention what the "new course" would be that would magically accomplish this feat.

Great politics!

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 26, 2006 4:17:26 PM

How dare he not explain his entire plan in a 30-second ad!

He does talk about it here, though.

Posted by: Haggai | Sep 26, 2006 4:25:00 PM

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 26, 2006 1:17:26 PM this guy says he wants to end 'occupation' in Iraq and bring peace. However, he fails to mention what the "new course" would be that would magically accomplish this feat.

Yeah! You'd think he was running for Senate, where his responsibility would include oversight of the existing indeterminate "course" of the Bush regime, rather than running for Presid...

What? He is running for Senate?

Oh, sorry, in that case this ad is perfectly appropriate. Only a complete loonie would argue that every ad should address every responsibility of a Senator, and the ad in question addresses one very important responsibility of a Senator.

Oh, and its also great politics!


Posted by: BruceMcF | Sep 26, 2006 4:30:08 PM

Michael Moore is fat! LBJ said "nigger!"

Hymietown!!!!! OJ Simpson!!!11!!1!!!1!

Robert Byrd and the KKK!!!1eleven!

That's how I know this ad is false!!!!onehundredeleven1!!

Hopefully that covers it.

Posted by: Stephen | Sep 26, 2006 4:44:02 PM

Posted by: Stephen | Sep 26, 2006 1:44:02 PM ... Hopefully that covers it.

You need something to place at the feet of some Democrat that remotely compares with stuffing the head of a dead doe in the mailbox of a black family chosen at random. It won't ever be enough unless Allen's supporters can distract attention from from that one.

So close to capturing the position of Allen supporters, but no cigar.

Posted by: BruceMcF | Sep 26, 2006 8:13:29 PM

my idea over at d kos was that someone needs to do a mailer to Southern VA to as many peo as you can and NoVA in which they have a single image - the head of a deer in a mailbox with a simple question: Do You Want Anyone who Will put a deer head in a mailbox as your Senator? If not, voted against Allen.

Posted by: akaison | Sep 26, 2006 8:32:31 PM

Anyone else thinks Webb looks like Larry Flynt? Anyone?

http://www.fulldisclosure.net/images/Guests/Flynt_265.jpg

Posted by: Bart | Sep 26, 2006 9:18:42 PM

There is my pre-LSAT mitzvah. Now only if I believed in some form of Karma. It would be quite nice to see this S.O.B go.

Posted by: Joel W | Sep 27, 2006 2:30:25 AM

So, Webb says everybody in the south said nigger when he was asked if he said it.

Not in our house, but some people imagine the whole world being like them, that projection thing I saw mentioned in another thread perhaps?

Where are the deer head people?

Posted by: Guy Montag | Sep 27, 2006 5:49:37 AM

Wait, I found the deer head people. I thought those guys were out of college long before January 2006.

Posted by: Guy Montag | Sep 27, 2006 9:08:10 AM

I just gave Mr. Webb's campaign $500. Because I don't want to have to apologize again for the results of an election.

Posted by: The American People | Sep 27, 2006 9:57:19 AM

akaison, I think that is a bad idea. Especially after reading this. Could

However, he fails to mention what the "new course" would be that would magically accomplish this feat.

I love how its ok for a person to support the "stay the course" guy even when that person will admit that staying the course isn't accomplishing anything.

Posted by: Adrock | Sep 27, 2006 11:22:37 AM

Posted by: Guy Montag | Sep 27, 2006 6:08:10 AM Wait, I found the deer head people. I thought those guys were out of college long before January 2006.

By all accounts, Allen wasn't caught, so he never had to write a letter of apology.

The point of the deer head incident is that Allen specifically asked to go to the area where black folks lived, to stuff the deer head in a mailbox chosen at random.

And it seems that in your effort to find something to excuse Allen's racist behavior, you forgot to put yourself in the place of the person receiving a deer head in their mailbox. "Evelyn Matthews screamed when she opened her mailbox in southern Hoke County."

Now put yourself in the shoes of a black family living in 1970's Virginia.

Still don't get it? That's OK, the remaining Allen supporters will come from the portion of 2000's Virginia who don't.

Posted by: BruceMcF | Sep 27, 2006 11:31:19 AM

Re: The Deer head in a mailbox.

Let's ignore for a moment whether it's racist or not. Let's assume it's true. Does anyone else find this incident truly disburbing? As in the moment in The Shining where Shelley Duvall reads what her husband has been writing for his novel, "all work and no play makes Johnny a bad boy" or something like that, kind of disburbing? Peo seem to be ignoring that angle of it. It's just really, really, really bizzare.

Posted by: akaison | Sep 27, 2006 11:39:40 AM

Actually, both of you responders, yes I do find it disturbing if true. I find the one in North Carolina disturbing too. Who wouldn’t?

Now, the accusation comes from a partisan, the only other possible witness is dead and the Sabato, who first dusted this up, is backpedaling on his statement. Coincidentally, a story from earlier this year was from North Carolina, the home of Ken Shelton.

What I find disturbing is that people will blindly follow a sensational hearsay story no matter how the author discredits himself.

Let’s ignore if it is racist, assume it is true? How about let’s examine how this story unfolds and see if it is true at all!

Perhaps Allen has written novels with racial slurs in them? Bring them out, that could be some good evidence, especially if they are fictional characters who could be saying anything at all but the author chose racial slurs, ala Mark Furman ?

Posted by: Guy Montag | Sep 27, 2006 12:35:14 PM

all I can say is good luck

Posted by: akaison | Sep 27, 2006 12:55:32 PM

akaison,

Yea, I could not find anything written by Sen. George Allen containing fictional characters using racial slurs either.

I did find this.
You can find the "n-word" four times in chapter one and nobody can argue that it was used in a "nice" way in any instance.

If Allen had written something like that I might have a tendency to agree with you, if that seemed to be his way in general. At least Huckelberry Finn had an anti-racist message that only a pure dope could miss because of racial slurs.

Posted by: Guy Montag | Sep 27, 2006 1:40:52 PM

If the deer head thing happened, perhaps it was not reported. But, if it really did happen, wouldn't some victim or some police officer remember something like that even without a report?

If it were common it would be a well remembered practice. If it were uncommon it would really be remembered.

Posted by: Guy Montag | Sep 27, 2006 1:53:20 PM

Disingenous Guy Montag Posted on Sep 27, 2006 10:53:20 AM: If the deer head thing happened, perhaps it was not reported. But, if it really did happen, wouldn't some victim or some police officer remember something like that even without a report?

I agree with Guy that this is the last nail in Allens coffin if a postal service or sherrif's dept. report surfaces. Heck, you could argue that even if someone did not mention that racist element, boys being boys would surely let slip about the prank ... yeah? what's that? Oh, that's right ... they did.

The problem for Allen is that he has to wait to find out whether or not there was a postal service or other official complaint before he knows what to deny. If he acknowledges that he did it but denies the racist element, and then a report surfaces that puts it in a black neighborhood, he's in even worse trouble.

Posted by: BruceMcF | Sep 27, 2006 3:24:29 PM

More deer head news from Louisa Co., Bumpass, VA:

Allen teammate heard deer head claim, but not in racial context

02:54 PM EDT on Wednesday, September 27, 2006

Associated Press


"Billy Lanahan told me they cut the head off a deer and stuffed it in a mailbox. He didn't say whose idea it was, and he didn't say, at least not in my presence, anything about a black family or a black neighborhood," Beam said.

He recalled the incident happening in Louisa County after the 1972 football season or perhaps early 1973.

Could be something, but still hearsay, possibly even a tall tail by colllege boys for college boys. How about something from the cops?

Two Louisa County sheriff's deputies who were on the force in the early '70s said in interviews Tuesday that they recall no complaints about severed animal heads.

Retired Lt. Robert Rigsby said he was in charge of investigations in the early '70s, and any such report would have gone through him.

"I think that's a myth," Rigsby said.

Another veteran officer, Deputy William Seay, also could recall no such incident. Authorities said they did not know if records from so long ago would be preserved.

Not conclusive, so let's hear from the NAACP.


The leader of the Louisa County chapter of the NAACP, Stewart Cooke, said in a telephone interview he could not recall any complaint involving a deer's head, but added that he had not lived in Louisa County at the time.

Still not conclusive on it's own. Perhaps national attention will bring forward an actual victim soon?

This ought to be a civil rights violation, if true. Will the Doctor accusing Allen, and admitting to the crime, turn himself in soon?

Caught some comments on that Salon story about this. Sixteen people who knew Sen. Allen in college could not remember him sounding racist, but three people were found who could say something bad about him. Interesting.

Too bad there is not a paper trail, like a letter calling women inferior or something like that, or even racial slurs in a book, as was tossed about by me and akaison earlier.

Posted by: Guy Montag | Sep 27, 2006 3:37:34 PM

BruceMcF,

How was I being disingenous? Leaving out details? Now, just tossing about assertions without details, that would be disingenous.

Leaving out damaging details about the person you are supporting would cartainly be disingenous.

Since I support neither, I will close with this bit of stupidity from the Allen campaign: He Just Doesn't Get It [John J. Miller]

Posted by: Guy Montag | Sep 27, 2006 3:44:37 PM

er, tall tale, oops

Posted by: Guy Montag | Sep 27, 2006 3:47:23 PM

Posted by: Guy Montag | Sep 27, 2006 12:37:34 PM Still not conclusive on it's own. Perhaps national attention will bring forward an actual victim soon?

Not "conclusive" on its own? Not conclusive in any context. An absence of a report to "X" would only undermine the account if a report to "X" is highly likely. Providing a fallacious argument hoping that some readers will not be alert for the fallacy and will fall for it ... there must be a cute GMontagism for that?

Posted by: BruceMcF | Sep 27, 2006 4:24:18 PM

Just writing to say the quote is "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy."

Or the Simpsons quote is "All work and no play makes Homer something something."

Marge: Go crazy...?

Homer: Don't mind if I do!

Posted by: eriks | Sep 27, 2006 4:27:04 PM

BruceMcF,

Let's see, where did I even allude that anything in the quotes that I gave was conclusive at all? At least I quoted and labeled everything unconclusive.

Put another way, what we know now is that two guys, one recently dead, have for about 30 years been telling a tale about a deer head being stuffed in a mailbox.

Amazingly, a racial component is added when one tale teller is backing the opponent of Allen. A yet even farther detached party remembers the story, as told by the now dead guy, and does not remember a thing about race being a factor.

Now, sofar as we know, nobody where the tale was supposed to have happened knows about it or they are just not talking.

The victims kept so quiet about it that nobody but them and the football players knew about it and only the football players were talking about it and the one who is an alleged racist did not brag about it to anybody who will come forward.

Now, I am not going to toss any pithy unicorn comments your way, but it seems unlikely that if this is anything more than a tall tale that nobody else on earth remembers it happening. People who have lived in Louisa County for ages were quoted in the story and none of them remember this happening, reported or not. One suspects it to be a myth.

I will admit, before I found the North Carolina story through The National Review I doubted this one partly because I have not seen many rural mail boxes that could fit the head of a legal doe. Seen some, but not many.

Posted by: Guy Montag | Sep 27, 2006 4:50:03 PM

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