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June 10, 2006

Wading in Controversy

By Brian Beutler

If I can poke around one insoluble controversy (Israel-Palestine) then, I figure, why not keep at it and--once and for all--solve this whole abortion brouhaha thing that's been bothering everybody.

Ross got me thinking about this today, because of something he wrote a couple days ago that tried to get at what exactly cleaves religious people and secular people--two groups that ostensibly care deeply about human rights--into warring camps when it comes to abortion.

There's some truth to this, but I think something larger is going on here, which has to do with the Christian relationship to rights-based liberalism, and particularly the Lockean tradition that America is (roughly speaking) founded on. To oversimplify egregiously but not, I think, inaccurately, the modern Anglo-American political tradition came into being because Christians were willing to accept the Christianity-lite political settlement offered by social-contract liberalism - and they were willing to accept it because its major premise, that man was endowed with natural and inalienable rights by Nature's God, was broadly congruent with Christian tradition. In a Lockean-liberal society, the law might not do everything that some Christians would like it to do - compel belief, for instance - but neither would it directly violate basic Christian principles.

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However, the Lockean settlement was obviously a long time ago, and most of today's liberals no longer believe in the "endowed-by-their-Creator" theory of human rights. Which is why abortion has become such a flashpoint - because it's the place where modern liberals have instituted a utilitarian approach to killing in place of the older natural-rights-based understanding, and the place where Christians are resisting. This explains, in turn, why pro-lifers make liberal arguments even though the source of their conviction is usually religious: it's not because they're dishonestly concealing their Christianity, but because they still think that rights-based liberalism is the common ground between Christians and secularists, and so they naturally attempt to argue on that ground. And the current pro-life frustration, I think, flows from the fact that pro-choicers have half-abandoned this common ground, but often won't admit it. Hence the constant talk about slippery slopes and infanticide from my side of the debate: it's not because we necessarily think America is about to legalize infanticide, but because we're trying to demonstrate to the pro-choice side that they only have one foot left in rights-based liberalism, and that there are some pretty awful things waiting where they've put their other foot down.

I think that, even though there are a few elements of truth here, this is drastically incomplete. First, I don't know if it's even really important that some of the godfathers of rights-based liberalism were religious people who believed certain liberties were of divine origin. What's important is the liberties themselves. If there is widespread societal agreement about them--and I still think that there IS widespread agreement about them--then their providence doesn't really matter. Whether one camp of people thinks they're God's offering and another thinks they're right because they're just right (or because they create a stable, appealing society) is totally beside the point.

Second, and much more important, though, is that talking about these rights like they're some sort of well-defined philosophical obelisk is massively imprecise. There are a LOT of very common situations besides abortion that bring Christians into disagreement with Christians, liberals into disagreement with liberals, and the two factions into disagreement with each other because sometimes honoring one right means sacrificing another.

Yes, some liberals put forth utilitarian arguments like Matt's and others (including me) have sincere (and not arbitrary and not rigged) beliefs about what human life is, but almost ALL of us are very clear about the importance of women having as much control over their bodies and biological functions as possible. And that's where prioritizing rights come in to play. John Stewart put it approximately this way when he interviewed Ramesh Ponnuru: "some of us feel that conservatives want to legalize rape in order to prevent murder," and on THAT front, when the rights in conflict are so important and so sensitive, enlightenment principles are extraordinarily ambiguous. They don't clearly articulate what is dispensable when ensuring that something else is preserved and for me, the weight of ambiguities  tip to a woman's side. And also for me this dispels Ross's assertion that liberals are somehow trying to shirk their heritage or sneak their way out of a concern for human rights.

 

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Comments

Waaay over-simplifying a moving target here. I went back to church with my mother for a couple of services a few years ago and found they were moving along with new ideas at about the same rate I was : not what I'd expected. If I can say that about Episcopaleans the Uniteds can be moreso. Of course, when a dinosaur from an era says that when he grew up when doctrine was hellfire for sodomists you can figure some perceptual difference.
It's getting to the time when we should recognize that the R.C.s aren't even alone with the idea the Bible is not the sole arbiter of belief : the Church of England was a political division in the church. And for L.D.S. to present themselves as Christian is serious revisionist stance : not that that's new. After all, the failure of modern prophecy didn't stop Jehovah's Witness from continuing.
It's a bit like computing with Windows XP instead of ( blue screen of death ) 98 : looks familiar but feels quite different.
As an aside I'm sure I saw an article on a plant that was common in old Rome which provided abortion on demand quite effectively : it's disappeared from modern pharmacology.
But one of the oldest Commandments is still writ large : Be fruitful and multiply. Not quite what a world of 6 billion needs to hear but still in the tome.

Posted by: opit | Jun 10, 2006 8:50:33 PM

If you grant that every person, yea unto a zygote, has a right to life, it still doesn't follow that anyone has a right to gestate in someone else's body. Suppose a person somewhere needs a bone marrow transplant, and I'm the only match. That person will die without my bone marrow, but his right to life does not entitle him to the use of my flesh. And his right to my bone marrow would not change if I happened to be his father or his mother.

Posted by: kth | Jun 10, 2006 9:00:14 PM

Short version: Read Amanda

The anti-abortion movement is not about Christianity at all. Examine fundamentalism from a top level perspecitve. Take your fundamentalist Christians, take your Mormons, take Muslims from moderate to fundamentalist, take your more traditional Catholics. What do they all have in common? Besides opposition to abortion. Intense patriarchy and obsessive protection of the younger women's ability to have sex until the old man either takes it for himself or gives it away.

Pregnancy is the test by why the patriarch knows the young girl is getting it somewhere else. Availability of abortion and contraception means uncertainty when the old man takes her to bed for the first time. How else do you ensure that she isn't comparing him to the younger lover?

Think this is overstated? Read the Tale of Genji, read any version of the Arthur and Guinivere story. This isn't new. For that matter read any rigorous account of the social interactions of Baboons. Just add an abbaya or a floor length skirt and you have every fundamentalist culture covered.

Opposition to abortion or contraception is not about life, it is about vagina control, and perhaps even more importantly about clitoris control. Its like the song: "Girls just want to have fun". Well the old man, whether as father or future husband, just can't afford to have that happen.

Overstated? Maybe. But reexamine literature and history and sociology through the lense of the old man being jealous of the sexual prowess of the young and get back to me. Or read Amanda.

Posted by: Bruce Webb | Jun 11, 2006 7:03:47 AM

"then their providence"

"provenance"?


"Think this is overstated?"

That's a modest start. Also note that fiction [long predating our culture] and Amanda [of Pandagon, I assume] are about equally accurate and useful on this subject.

Posted by: rilkefan | Jun 11, 2006 12:12:24 PM

amanda is a moron when it comes to this argument for this reason: Not all pro-Life people are of the deeply religious variety. She demonized and simplifies the enemy until she can wrap her reptile-like reactionary brain around it.

Anyone who thinks the sides are black and white is just as wrong.

Posted by: Fred Jones | Jun 11, 2006 12:45:47 PM

"Which is why abortion has become such a flashpoint - because it's the place where modern liberals have instituted a utilitarian approach to killing in place of the older natural-rights-based understanding, and the place where Christians are resisting. "

Eh? My pro-choice approach is entirely rights based, even if I don't think rights are a gift of the creator but are rather a social construct. The point is I don't think a foetus's rights, to the extent it has any at all, trump those of the mother in the vast majority of cases. People have rights, and a blastocyst is not a person.

Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Jun 11, 2006 5:57:30 PM

The more we learn about the fetus and it's capabilities, the more it will look like a person to those who kill for convenience.
Hey, don't want kids, then don't fuck. How hard is that?

Posted by: Fred Jones | Jun 11, 2006 9:03:33 PM

Hey, don't want kids, then don't fuck. How hard is that?

You stick with that regimen, Fred. I'll stick with the pill.

Posted by: mayte | Jun 12, 2006 3:09:40 AM

..The more we learn about the fetus and it's capabilities, the more it will look like a person.

The more we learn about biology in general and genetics in particular the more the fetus looks like a meaningless set of cells. I gag when people fawn over a newly pregnant mother and talk about what a miracle it is. This 'miracle' has happenned billions of times, and holds no mysteries anymore. When it becomes a person that is able to sustain itself, then it should gain rights as an individual. Not before.

..of course statements like..
don't want kids, then don't fuck. How hard is that?

just make more of the point that this issue is about vagina control, and not any actual righteousness.

As kth alluded, we make judgements about people's right to life all the time. Anytime a donor is chosen or not, any time a surgery is performed or not, when finances preclude medical care, when a vegetatitve person is take off of life support; in all of these we make judgements about rights and life. In none of these have we ever taken the course that another being must be forced to unwillingly bear the burden of keeping another alive.

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