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April 17, 2006
Hunting Slugs
I know I'm not supposed to, but I pity Michelle Malkin. Really, I do. Punditry is a game of incentives, encouragement, luck. You write a hundred articles before striking paydirt with one. That zeitgeisty dispatch activates an eruption of applause and adulation, so you try to repeat it. Soon enough, you've got a niche, a style, a persona. The lucky ones, among whom I include myself, find their path opening towards responsible, serious commentary. The sort of articles that allow us to wake up, yawn, look in the mirror, and feel good about what we see. And then there are the unlucky ones, the Michelle Malkins, who achieve acceptance through hatred and venom, and find themselves groping down the darkest path to political success.
Right now, the dark-haired, lashy, Ann Coulter understudy is happily wrapped in one of her typical controversies: a crew of students at UC Santa Cruz, my alma mater, protested some military recruiters, and Malkin got hold of a press release with their personal contact information -- a poorly conceived inclusion on the students' part, but then, these are undergraduates, not trained media flacks. Rather than calling and speaking to them herself, which is what members of the press are supposed to use such releases for, Malkin published their personal information on her website, prompting her hordes of orcish mouth-breathers to brandish their pitchforks and inundate the unsuspecting students with death threats (some of which you can read here). When the students frantically called on Malkin to remove their numbers, she posted their contact information again.
The invaluable John Amato, who's got some video from the scene, gets it right. Malkin, he writes, "crosse[d] the line of decency..the death threats are emanating from her blog and she knows it. Malkin understands the nature of the fear and outrage she causes. Will she take responsibility when somebody gets hurt?"
"When somebody gets hurt." It's not just somebody, though. Malkin has already done grievous harm to an idea. I went to UC Santa Cruz. It's entirely possible I was friends with some of those Malkin has placed in danger. It's a school filled with young, idealistic kids determined to save the world, feeling their way through uncertain thickets of ideology and unfamiliar collections of ideas, and naive about the dangers of direct political action outside a university's protected confines. That, after all, is what college is about -- providing a protected space for young adults to experiment, learn, try out ideas and identities. If they made a mistake attaching their home numbers to a press release, it's understandable -- forgive them father, they know not what they do.
Malkin lays claim to no such ignorance. A skilled and experienced rhetorical warrior, she saw the pale, white flesh of their throats and lunged. The vicious always seek out the weak. Rather than forgive their poorly-written, too-revealing press release, she published their oversight, opening them to danger and harm. If any of these students are hurt by a crazed Malkinite, the blood will drip from her hands, the guilt will burden her shoulders. But forgive her just the same, for there is nought else she can do.
Malkin has created an identity of outrage, she trades in hate because she proved unable to achieve recognition for anything more elevated. It's a sorry fate for a pundit who, once upon a time, must have been an idealistic college student herself; learning, experimenting, seeking out an identity of her own. I wonder if her younger, better self ever once entertained the notion that she'd soon be a peddler of anger, successful in nothing but demagoguery and appeals to the reptilian brain? I wonder if she saw it foreshadowed in her own darker moments, if she feared it? Malkin may have hurt some idealistic young college students at Santa Cruz, and I loathe her for it. But I pity her, too, because somewhere along the way, she murdered her own.
Update: Here are some of the death threats the students are getting. They've really got to be read to be believed. Scary stuff.
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Comments
Malkin's site is deeply disturbing, a reflection of a personality (whether hers or her husbands, since we know that he writes a great deal of her stuff) that is angry, vengeful, and lashing out at any and everything that doesn't fit with their master story. And here's the saddest and sickets thing. We know from their treatment of right wing icons and fellow travellers that as soon as those people start to waver in their support of endless war, immigrant bashing, anti-education (anti student) rhetoric, gay bashing or whatever other hate Malkin and her husband are proposing as the action of the day these, too, will fall under the ban of "moonbats" and "traitors" fomenting "sedition." I'd check to see what Malkin has to say about the Generals asking for Rumsfeld's resignation but my stomach isn't that strong.
aimai
Posted by: aimai | Apr 17, 2006 5:44:04 PM
That, after all, is what college is about -- providing a protected space for young adults to experiment, learn, try out ideas and identities.
Oh, how innocent a depiction Ezra has provided of these students. Just little butterflies fluttering from subject to subject, learning as they go, opening their minds, the little darlings. Here's the truth: All is fair in love, war, and politics. All adults involved in politics pull dirty tricks...Democrats and Republicans alike (Oh, please challenge me on this!).
UC Santa Cruz is a publicly supported university and is there for students who wish to take classes and head toward graduation. However, if these students wish to enter the rough and tumble world of adult politics by getting involved in the anti-war movement and run the military off, then they had better be prepared to suffer the consequences.
Posted by: Fred Jones | Apr 17, 2006 6:01:22 PM
aimai,
Malkin links approvingly to this:
We reject without qualification the anti-Americanism now infecting so much left-liberal (and some conservative) thinking.
So I'd guess that's what happens when members of the right wing begin to waver. I just love how she's got a monopoly on truth. Must come in handy.
Posted by: TJ | Apr 17, 2006 6:06:29 PM
The most disgusting aspect of the thing is her cowardly disclaimer that she doesn't 'condone death threats or foul language'. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink. This is standard Malkin practice: she appeals to the sickest, vilest impulses of the public, then tries to distance herself from the sickos she encourages.
And I don't know any of the protestors, but I did go to UCSC (I think I graduated before Ezra was born), and I think Ezra has it exactly right.
Posted by: Tom Hilton | Apr 17, 2006 6:06:37 PM
Fred Jones explicitly endorses thuggish brutality against speech of which he disapproves. What a shocker.
Posted by: Tom Hilton | Apr 17, 2006 6:08:02 PM
Fred Jones explicitly endorses thuggish brutality against speech of which he disapproves.
Tom,
First explaining in my post that is is a dirty trick and then explaining that no one should be shocked is a far cry from "endorsing thuggish brutality". However, feel free to be just as big of a JACKASS as you wish.
Posted by: Fred Jones | Apr 17, 2006 6:23:30 PM
Fred, go ahead and try to backpedal. I don't think your line about how "they had better be prepared to suffer the consequences" is really all that ambiguous.
Posted by: Tom Hilton | Apr 17, 2006 6:28:44 PM
That was great, Tom!
You're on your way, but there are other jackasses out there as well. If you want to be the jackass of your dreams, you will simply have to try harder!!
You can do it, man!
Posted by: Fred Jones | Apr 17, 2006 6:41:15 PM
As always, notice how Fred refused to engage the substance of Hilton's interpretation, and instead called him a "jackass." Truly the level of our civic discourse has been elevated on this day.
And no more cussing each other out in this thread -- I spent some time on this post, and there's a reason I put it here rather than a playground bulletin board.
Posted by: Ezra | Apr 17, 2006 6:47:14 PM
Hey Tom! Give Fred a break. He lashed on to a numnuts person for president in 2000. He did it even when many could see Bush was a total dufus. Now he sees the world tumbling down around him, and there is nothing the Fred Jones, Malkins, Coulters, Limbaughs and all the other similar poop-for-brains can do about it. There is something we can do about it though; enlist all means to bring an end to this bunch of morons.
Posted by: jimbo | Apr 17, 2006 6:48:12 PM
I have the perfect nickname for Malkin...
"Spin-Ninja."
Start using it, and maybe we can start something.
Posted by: Marasmus | Apr 17, 2006 6:49:47 PM
I've deleted this comment as it sought to provide Fred's e-mail address and open him to harassment. I will not attack Malkin for raising these students to public reprisal and then have a similar tactic used on my own site. You want to disagree, go for it. But this thread is where it stays. Sorry kharma, but to let this stand would be bad karma. --Ezra
Posted by: kharma | Apr 17, 2006 6:51:30 PM
Hmmm... wonder if these young, idealistic students might need a young, idealistic lawyer? Or, alternatively, an old, crotchety, and cynical one who might bring a tasty little tort action against Malkin.
Posted by: collin | Apr 17, 2006 6:51:44 PM
I think Fred's got some issues. I think he'd be a threatening caller. Can't you"feel"the escalation of his demeanor, with each post?
Posted by: Shag | Apr 17, 2006 6:58:38 PM
And no more cussing each other out in this thread -- I spent some time on this post, and there's a reason I put it here rather than a playground bulletin board.
Sorry, Ezra--didn't mean to start anything there. It's an excellent post, in case I didn't say that already.
Posted by: Tom Hilton | Apr 17, 2006 7:05:34 PM
Malkin was so sleazy during the 2004 election that she even got a rise from Chris Matthews, a pretty sleazy character in his own right. When she posited her theory (pulled from thin air or a darker place) that Kerry's wounds were self-inflected, Matthews went off on her. She was stunned and it was a funny moment.
Fred is classic. When Bush supporters hear anything approaching a threat, they start braying and crying like little babies. Big Fred just thinks death threats are part of living in the big old world, but I'd bet 100 bucks he's never had to deal with a death threat.
Posted by: Bluedog49 | Apr 17, 2006 7:05:38 PM
Malkin was so sleazy during the 2004 election that she even got a rise from Chris Matthews, a pretty sleazy character in his own right. When she posited her theory (pulled from thin air or a darker place) that Kerry's wounds were self-inflected, Matthews went off on her. She was stunned and it was a funny moment.
Fred is classic. When Bush supporters hear anything approaching a threat, they start braying and crying like little babies. Big Fred just thinks death threats are part of living in the big old world, but I'd bet 100 bucks he's never had to deal with a death threat.
Posted by: Bluedog49 | Apr 17, 2006 7:06:05 PM
Understood Ezra and sorry about that. I don't think a little spam would be that bad for Fred. Hey, he may even find out that a lawyer for a family that died in Nigeria wants him to accept an inheritance or something. With his mental intellect, he should figure it out after the 3rd family or so. But yes, it probably was bad karma to dish out karma purposefully and I will try not to do it again.
Posted by: kharma | Apr 17, 2006 7:06:24 PM
Malkin deserves no pity. Even if she is just Ann Coulter in cheaper shoes. She and her kind sow damage and hate everywhere they go.
Posted by: Thesaurus Rex | Apr 17, 2006 7:06:51 PM
Thanks for understanding, kharma. As my mother liked to say: always stay on higher ground.
Posted by: Ezra | Apr 17, 2006 7:20:17 PM
Fortunately for all of us, the kind of people who frequent Malkin's blog, and others of it's ilk, have an aversion to danger and violence, or they would have enlisted already. I know it's very upsetting for the kids at Ezra's alma mater but they are not likely to come to any physical harm.
Posted by: JT Davis | Apr 17, 2006 7:22:04 PM
You guys can wait on Karma.
Freddie is going to be receiving a lot of offers for gay porn via email...
Posted by: Alex Cutter | Apr 17, 2006 7:22:26 PM
"However, if these students wish to enter the rough and tumble world of adult politics by getting involved in the anti-war movement and run the military off, then they had better be prepared to suffer the consequences."
First off, they're all 18. The adult world is their world, because they can sign up for the national guard and end up massacree-ing poor people around the world.
Second, why discriminate based on age anyway? When adult politics means bombing children, children ought to have a say as well. Before they're thoroughly indoctrinated about the wonders of capitalism and the evils of islam, I would imagine many minors would be passionate enough about preventing ridiculous wars to spit in Malkin's or your face. I know I felt this way when I was under 18.
Malkin and the bloggers who threaten activists are petty children; I wish we could kick them out of the family. Let's leave the dirty tricks in our past, and demand that our peers accept adult responsibilities.
Posted by: tim | Apr 17, 2006 7:23:01 PM
I think Freds rant illuminated an interesting belief by many, 'Anti-war' = Terrorist sympathiser = Enemy Combatant = Should be subject to interrogation by methods not bound by the Geneva Convention
If that isn't possible, simply threaten to take their life over the phone to encourage them to speak their mind again next time.
Posted by: Dingo | Apr 17, 2006 7:25:54 PM
Can Malkin, even though a resident of Maryland, be charged with a crime under California's cyberstalker law?
Posted by: Big River Bandido | Apr 17, 2006 7:26:12 PM
And in addition, most military and ex-military folks don't care too much for recruiters either. It's the kind of MOS that would find you as a used car salesman in civilian life.
Posted by: JT Davis | Apr 17, 2006 7:28:08 PM
"Can Malkin, even though a resident of Maryland, be charged with a crime under California's cyberstalker law?"
Why not?
Posted by: JT Davis | Apr 17, 2006 7:29:43 PM
only in this country could malkin be considered an intellectual or taken seriously. the rest of the world must look at us and laugh to themselves when they see us up in arms over such an obvious half-witted sophist.
Posted by: icarus11 | Apr 17, 2006 7:30:38 PM
Fred,
It's turds like you that have driven myself, and half my family, away from the Repubican party. Most of us will probably never return.
Congratulations. You've accomplished something in your life. Made decent, honest people sick and horrified.
Posted by: Moses | Apr 17, 2006 7:30:58 PM
Although she isn't the one doing the stalking, she could be charged as an accessory before the fact. I would look to civil litigation however.
Posted by: JT Davis | Apr 17, 2006 7:31:22 PM
Alex: I hope you're kidding, as that's really not what this site is about. The world's got enough bareknuckled brawling, a place where folks respectfully discuss and don't, say, sign each other up for gay porn wouldn't be the worst thing.
Posted by: Ezra | Apr 17, 2006 7:34:33 PM
Are her parents proud? It's pretty simple...if your kids did something like that, how would you feel? I would be appalled. It really makes me wonder how these people were brought up.
Posted by: ironranger | Apr 17, 2006 7:36:24 PM
Fred writes:
"However, if these students wish to enter the rough and tumble world of adult politics by getting involved in the anti-war movement and run the military off, then they had better be prepared to suffer the consequences."
I can't imagine a world where the threat of someone pointing a revolver at one's temple for their convictions (however conceived) is considered "Fair" and a justifiable consequence as Fred states...
Oh, wait...
Posted by: Ray | Apr 17, 2006 7:40:32 PM
These kids are "active" in UCSC politics and activism - they are not quiet little workers. They seem to be doing their best to get attention for themselves and their causes. Malkin is just helping them along.
Posted by: Shamu | Apr 17, 2006 7:43:11 PM
Ummm, Fred's email address can be viewed by mousing over his screen name, or clicking it. How did Kharma reveal anything that Fred didn't reveal himself?
Am I missing something here?
Posted by: Ted | Apr 17, 2006 7:51:37 PM
I'm a student who will be transfering to UCSC later this year, and I'm almost sad this happened before I arrived. I would have loved to see this thing from the inside, and personally know the people involved. Hell, I could have joined SAW and tried to get on Fox News where I could be shouted down and have my words taken out of context on national TV. Wouldn't that have been awsome?
Posted by: Ross Taben | Apr 17, 2006 7:53:24 PM
As always, notice how Fred refused to engage the substance of Hilton's interpretation, and instead called him a "jackass." Truly the level of our civic discourse has been elevated on this day.
Yes. The key bit being "as always." At his best, Fred offers easily-refuted caricatures of a conservative argument. More typically, he just derails the discussion with his vileness.
And unfortunately, since you have no intelligent conservative regulars to counterbalance Fred, the net effect is that Fred is conditioning your audience to associate "conservatives" with "Fred". Thus making it less and less likely that you'll attract and keep any real conservatives in the future. You are letting Fred set the tone. Why?
Ezra, your desire to find the good in people like Fred is laudable, even kind of sweet, actually. You have a keen sense of people's innate humanity and complexity. But you are also running a community here. Seriously, how many of your posts are you going to let Fred drag down?
Posted by: Evan | Apr 17, 2006 8:10:05 PM
Malkin is truly vile, as are people who are sending death threats. Why is dissent now considered by some to be punishable by death. What happened to freedom of speech?
Posted by: Unstable Isotope | Apr 17, 2006 8:13:18 PM
The kids may have made themselves public figures through their actions. The privacy standard is different for them now. Malkin simply took advantage of their revised status. The bitch!
Posted by: mr.ed | Apr 17, 2006 8:13:21 PM
On recruiting: my father-in-law was a right stuff aviator for the marine corps in three wars.
My son planned to enter the marine corp after graduation even though my wife and I attempted to talk him (a lifelong vegetarian) out of the notion. He loved the great incentives he was being offered even though his aviator grandfather warned him that "recruiters lie."
Our son joined. The recruitors had lied. He challenged them at the induction point and was adamnant in spite of being threatened with court-martial and the brig.
He persisted until they released him and drove him home where we walked up just in time to see him being dropped off from a marine corp van. Close call.
There's more lying going on than ever before. (smile)
The best luck to all.
Eugene
Posted by: Eugene | Apr 17, 2006 8:13:41 PM
Malkin is a goon and as ugly a human being as the Oklahoma man who just ate his adolescent neighbor.
Posted by: poco | Apr 17, 2006 8:18:08 PM
At one point does Malkin cease being "Coulter-lite" and become acknowedged as being even worse than the blonde one? Coulter is bad, real bad, but there is satire & caustic wit there. She says outrageous & deliberately offensive things because she knows she won't be held accountable for saying them, but there is a sense of deliberate satire.
Malkin is different, there isn't even a touch of the Coulterish wit to what she writes, she is almost completely humorless. Moreso, one gets the sense that Malkin really truly believes everything she says, even Coulter will admit to being hyperbolic & intentionally outrageous, Malkin is 100% sincere. What's more, there's a difference between saying atrocious things & acting atrocious. A line Malkin has already croosed far more than Coulter.
Ann Coulter is no longer the standard bearer for Right-wing demagoguery, Ms. Malkin has usurped her throne. She is truly a disgusting individual, and were I a conservative, I would be embarassed to share the same political party as her.
Posted by: Dustin | Apr 17, 2006 8:18:20 PM
Orcs don't use pitchforks.
Posted by: Jacob | Apr 17, 2006 8:21:30 PM
Yes. The key bit being "as always." At his best, Fred offers easily-refuted caricatures of a conservative argument. More typically, he just derails the discussion with his vileness.And unfortunately, since you have no intelligent conservative regulars to counterbalance Fred, the net effect is that Fred is conditioning your audience to associate "conservatives" with "Fred".
Where, on the net, do you *ever* find intelligent conservatives? I spent six months looking. Redstate was about as close as I've found, and, well, they're noxious.
Posted by: Michael Falcon-Gates | Apr 17, 2006 8:26:40 PM
>>>> She says outrageous & deliberately offensive things <<<<
And if she instead espoused a lot of crackpot-leftwing rhetoric I have no doubt you'd consider her wise and heroric.
Posted by: Tim S. | Apr 17, 2006 8:26:56 PM
>>>> they're noxious. <<<<
I notice most of the truly "noxious" big mouths and bellyachers are of the left. For example, all the foaming-at-the-mouth leftwingers at anti-War rallies who love signs like "Bush is the new Hitler!"
Posted by: Tim S. | Apr 17, 2006 8:30:42 PM
Does anyone have Malkin's home contact information? Not that we condone hate messages or harassment, of course . . .
Posted by: Geek, Esq. | Apr 17, 2006 8:30:55 PM
For example, all the foaming-at-the-mouth leftwingers at anti-War rallies who love signs like "Bush is the new Hitler!"
Well, at least you won't find any Klan apparell at "leftwinger" anti-war rallies. Odd that swastikas tend to show up at right-wing rallies of all sorts, though.
Posted by: Ted | Apr 17, 2006 8:35:01 PM
Am I missing something here?
Nope. The email address is alway out there. What he was doing was self-aggrandizing.
Posted by: Fred Jones | Apr 17, 2006 8:40:15 PM
A superb post. It's creepy the way she can inflate the importance of such tiny powerless occurences to the point where they come to represent the mindset of half the country. I'm trying to do a quick mental assessment of whether lefty bloggers do that: when we villainize pharmacists who don't give out the Pill, are we drawing the same false associations? I don't think so, but it's difficult to articulate why.
On the note of civilized discourse, perhaps you can answer a question: how come no one uses trackbacks when discussing a post written by a member of the Other Side? The purpose of trackbacks are to continue the discussion in just that way.
Posted by: Dan K. | Apr 17, 2006 8:41:42 PM
The students should have known better in the current atmosphere. The nuts are right about one thing - there always has and always will be a cost to free speech/political action. In their heart of hearts the Malkinites of the world would like to kill anti-war liberals. Since they are such bed-wetting cowards the chance of this actually happening is very close to zero. The young Slugs are getting a raw deal but it's not like they are Cheney, Goodman and Schwerner.
Posted by: Bruins R Better | Apr 17, 2006 8:57:57 PM
Please forgive me as I mourn the death of adverbs. It was "acting atrociously" once upon a time, but that time is passed.
It's okay, I lose this round. But freedom is better than grammar anyway. I'll fight for that now. :)
Posted by: TonyT | Apr 17, 2006 9:06:25 PM
This along with using the term "moonbats" to describe half of all Americans in this country who have different political views than she does show that Michelle Malkin is a disgraceful human being. I can't imagine how much shame she brings to her mother and father.
Posted by: Chris | Apr 17, 2006 9:09:22 PM
Hey, no fear. Malkin said in her Unhinged book that the Right "polices their own crazies." This is an excellent chance for her to prove that. I'm sure she's going to personally investigate & find out the names of everyone making threats against these kids and have the goons excommunicated from the Movement.
To do otherwise would be hypocritical. And we know Malkin is not a hypocrite.
After all, she said so. In her very own book.
Posted by: Thers | Apr 17, 2006 9:11:41 PM
Dude, Thers -- you read her book? Was this some sort of V-for-Vendetta-esque reconditioning to free you from fear?
Posted by: Ezra | Apr 17, 2006 9:16:29 PM
It's obvious that the kids were just that -- kids. It's a junior league mistake to have included that information in such a public forum. Additionally, more mature, prepared activists wouldn't have panicked, they'd have involved the authorities. Even on cell phones, I'm pretty sure that death threats are illegal, and they're as tracable as any other means of communication.
I honestly doubt these kids are in any sort of danger. Conservatives are the violent wing of our political spectrum, but even the most extreme of them are either law abiding, cowardly, or both.
Posted by: Jas | Apr 17, 2006 9:17:06 PM
Malkin is amazing. She's outraged about Muslims wanting to kill for Danish comics - in defense of freedom of speech; while inciting death threats against students that use their freedom of speech against military recruiters.
If I get this right, then freedom of speech is executed when the speech held is in accordance to the ten obnoxious commandments of Michelle Malkin.
The grotesque self righteousness this woman executes in every word she writes is spectacular. It actually amazes me again and again. If her writing weren't so dangerous, it'd actually be funny.
Posted by: Oliver | Apr 17, 2006 9:19:12 PM
Calling all lawyers: we have a potential for conspiracy to commit terrorist threat. Someone get over to those students and have them press charges.
I was at the protest last year. My fellow slugs were a bit out of line. But nothing justifies aiding and abetting people willing to make threats to commit any crime of violence with the purpose to terrorize another.
Posted by: Tony | Apr 17, 2006 9:31:34 PM
Malkin was so sleazy during the 2004 election that she even got a rise from Chris Matthews, a pretty sleazy character in his own right. When she posited her theory (pulled from thin air or a darker place) that Kerry's wounds were self-inflected, Matthews went off on her. She was stunned and it was a funny moment.
Not only that, but she weaselly crawled back over to Fox News to bleat loudly about how mistreated she had been.
She's truly disgraceful, and bloggers on both sides should stop linking to her sick screeds and bizarro campaigns.
Posted by: Royko | Apr 17, 2006 9:36:28 PM
Fun with Michelle Malkin, just from one week of analysis:
Spittle & Ink (spittleandink.com) has discovered that the anti-immigration Malkin is, in fact, the offspring of parents who were only temporarily in the US on a work visa, making her an "anchor baby."
We've watched as the "pro-America" Malkin posts jokes about airplanes hitting the Twin Towers.
We've seen that even while condemning Comedy Central for "censorship," Malkin censors readers' comments on her blog.
We've shown photographic evidence that Malkin has helped a Republican flag desecrator with his campaign, despite condemning others who do the same.
We've even found that the "anti-abortion" Malkin will assist in the slaughter of innocent, unborn babies -- for free, by the government -- so long as that government publishes cartoons insulting Mohammed. Because, you know... the life of the fetus is one thing, but these are cartoons dammit!
I've got links to support all of this, click my URL and jump there.
Posted by: Mark Spittle | Apr 17, 2006 9:41:10 PM
I think that if Malkin's posting of these numbers results in the death of one of these students, then she should be killed in return. This is war, and if reptiles like her want to play by Calvinball rules, then let's play.
Posted by: anonymous | Apr 17, 2006 9:58:10 PM
Ms. Makin derives a substantial portion of her income via her syndicator, Creators Syndicate. Their email is info@creators.com. Their fax number is 310-337-7625. Every business LOVES a busy fax machine! Foaming-at-the-mouth, obscenity-laden missives won't do, but intelligently-worded letters of concern about the ethics (NOT THE OPINIONS) of one of their "properties" might have an impact. Remember, neatness and spelling count!
Posted by: DwG | Apr 17, 2006 10:03:55 PM
History is very important for all. Why repeat the same lies and mistakes? I do realize the constitution was written by hypocrites, but, the document is the model of the free world, and probably for other countries that aspire to change. Dictatorship or world domination is the goal of the few. The president is as close to Hitler as any that ever served in the United States presidency(imo). His minions are serving a master! No matter how hypocritical our self serving leaders may be, the constitution is the law! It is time that we, American citizens, stand up and fight the Hitleresque citizens that defend DEATH THREATS! Now how do we do that-- with nonviolent protests in our cities and towns. History proved a wrong could be righted ie.- the civil rights movent. God bless this country-THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Posted by: Jack C. Hopkins | Apr 17, 2006 10:09:23 PM
Dude, Thers -- you read her book? Was this some sort of V-for-Vendetta-esque reconditioning to free you from fear?
Hee hee. No, I read parts of it to see if she was really dumb enough to have cited King Leopold of Belgium as an example of typical "unhinged" left-blogosphere comments section evil, as she once did on her blog. "King Leopold" was a bizarre parody troll at Eschaton; he liked to post in a kind of 19th-century imperialist argot. He did a rather good job of it, actually. Malkin missed the joke and denounced the King to high heaven, which was really pretty funny. I was curious to see if she was foolish enough to make this error in print.
Anyway, I explained why I read the chapters I did here and here, though of course persons of taste and discernment will prefer David Neiwert's expert analysis of Unhinged, beginning here.
The best part of her book is where she seems to suggest that the craziest, most out of control basass mofo anywhere on the Liberal Blogosphere, the guy who will say all sorts of crazy loose-cannon savagery, he'll kill you as soon as look at you, is Kevin Drum.
She is of course on this point completely correct.
Posted by: Thers | Apr 17, 2006 10:10:51 PM
I think that if Malkin's posting of these numbers results in the death of one of these students, then she should be killed in return. This is war, and if reptiles like her want to play by Calvinball rules, then let's play.
This is not war, its wankerism. Look at those cavemen go...
Malkin has a right to exist...
Posted by: johnx | Apr 17, 2006 10:23:25 PM
Hey! This is 2006! If some hippies at the college I attended dare cross Ms. Malkin and her angry, violent minions, they're damned! That's what America is about right? Demonising your opposition, issuing death threats to harmless college kids, and making sure you talk big but run away from the consequences when things get ugly?
Perhaps it's time for the hippies at Porter College to buy guns and arm themselves against future threats? And perhaps if Ms. Malkin was as tough as she thinks she is, she'd go there and tell them they deserve a kick in the balls, and have her tough minions stick up for her?
Naw.
Posted by: Stop Norsefilre Now | Apr 17, 2006 10:29:14 PM
I'm the one tipping off Michelle Malkin to the UCSC stories.
I'm a UCSC alum (Cowell College- Intl Politics) and grew up in the area.
The university is a disgrace and they've done more to unite the community against campus expansion than anything conservative bloggers could ever hope to accomplish.
UCSC's founding members were true visionaries, but the campus has deteriorated into a dumping ground for suburban brats who head to Uncle Charlie's Summer Camp for their childish "rebellion".
There's simply no way to defend UCSC's 40th year of taxpayer-funded failure.
Posted by: Brian Maloney | Apr 17, 2006 10:47:16 PM
Is it just me or has the adorable little 'Culture War' just taken a really creepy turn down a road that leads to actual bloodshed. Thanks, Michelle. Thanks a lot.
Posted by: Chris Wren | Apr 17, 2006 10:50:45 PM
Brian, I went to UCSC too. I agree, UCSC is nothing like what the founders envisioned.
That does not mean Right-winger haters have a blank check to make criminal threats.
Posted by: Tony | Apr 17, 2006 10:55:53 PM
Ezra,
I agree with you 100 percent on this one, Ezra. Everything you wrote was absolutely true. It's despicable of Malkin to use the naivete of college students as an excuse to put their lives in danger. I don't buy that line some are peddling about the students bringing it on themselves because they put their home numbers in the press release and that was stupid and they are responsible. That's nonsense. Would you trash someone's home because they absent-mindedly left their door unlocked? Would you steal a car because the driver left the key in the door or on the front seat?
You don't do something wrong because someone has inadvertently or naively given you the opportunity to do wrong.
Posted by: Kathy | Apr 17, 2006 11:01:13 PM
More important than the sad reflection on Malkin, who is now no more than a Grub Street hack for Regnery, having had her 'serious' attempt to establish herself (the internment book) sunk by real historians... as someone who's read you, Ezra, since Pandagon, it's really heartening to watch you find your feet in wonk-world and mature in front of our eyes.
This isn't meant to be obsequious, even if it sounds like fluffing: there are ways to establish oneself, and some are better than others. You can beg readers to do your research while displaying your utter ignorance (the Goldberg Variation) or you can become a rabble-rouser (the Malkin Method). Or you can take the unfashionable route of doing spadework on complex topics and become a go-to voice in the debate.
Finally: what Evan said about Fred Jones. Ban him, and it'll encourage serious conservatives to contribute, because this turd-flinger is giving his side a bad rep on the site.
Posted by: nick s | Apr 17, 2006 11:04:25 PM
Thanks Nick.
Posted by: Ezra | Apr 17, 2006 11:18:31 PM
well, I am a complete lefty, and if you look a little closer, those morons actually did release their own home phone numbers on an indymedia site. that doesn't really seem too intelligent. I'm not a huge conspiracy theorist, but it looks like they really did post the info on a publicly visable website. I've never posted my home phone number anywhere. that would be moronic.
prozacula
993-555-3344
Posted by: prozacula | Apr 17, 2006 11:22:48 PM
Prozacula, the difference is one of scale--and it's a huge difference.
Say you post your phone number on a blog that your friends and family read. Not smart, agreed...but there aren't a whole lot of people reading it, so no great harm. Nobody's really going to find it unless they're looking for you.
Now let's say Michelle Malkin or some equivalent re-posts your phone number on her blog. That's several orders of magnitude more exposure than it had previously...but more importantly, your phone number has had attention called to it. It has had some importance assigned to it that it would not otherwise have had. That's a huge difference--the difference between the occasional crank call and having to get a whole new number because of death threats.
Posted by: Tom Hilton | Apr 18, 2006 12:11:40 AM
No pity for Malkin. She is evil scum.
Posted by: Rob | Apr 18, 2006 12:34:33 AM
I know the students released their phone numbers themselves. But once the students requested that Malkin remove them from her website, and told her they were getting death threats from people looking at her website, is it really *legal* for her to leave them up? Isn't that incitement to violence?
If not, is there any way she could be found liable for emotional distress as a result of the death threats in a civil suit?
Posted by: Greg | Apr 18, 2006 12:51:09 AM
Is there any call to have Malkin denounce and reject in writing these death threats and those who make them? I know she said she doesn't condone them, but she doesn't denounce them, either. Maybe a petition would motivate her to do so.
Posted by: Todd | Apr 18, 2006 1:45:24 AM
Seriously, how the heck threat have these yipping little ankle biters ever actually been a threat to anyone?
Other than OKC, right?
So I guess the individuals shouldn't worry, but the people that live in their dorm, and the campus security, should be on the lookout for a Ryder truck.
Because that's the kind of wussies we are dealing with.
Sound familiar, don't they?
Let Malkin yip, her hordes have no stones and will not do shit.
They don't have the support of 2/3 of the country, heck they've lost the support of 1/3 of the country, and they know it. They have the stench of losers about them, and all their hand waving will not dissipate it.
Mail all of them back, tell them where you will be and at what time to have it out with them, and watch how none of them show up.
Stare them down. They don't have the guts to even show up and debate the issues, let alone mount a threat to anyone.
Lollygaggers. Right there on the Group W bench. Call 'em out.
Posted by: David Glynn | Apr 18, 2006 3:09:31 AM
Sending death threats via email is a federal crime.
I think that SAW should pursue a legal case against each and every one of the folks sending those threats, and a parallel case against Malkin for incitement and malicious mischief.
I also think that those student should stand tall and proud, and use this to garner more attention for their cause and their actions - if they need to change emails and telephone numbers, that is part of the price they will have to pay.
They entered the venue of attack politics, in a nation about 3 degrees removed from civil war over some pretty fundamental issues.
It's a serious business, and if they are serious about their protests and their politics then they should:
a) recognize and deal with what is going to happen when they do step forward in such fashion,
b) be prepared to take full legal and propaganda advantage of these kinds of events.
This is a perfect opportunity to both amplify SAW's message AND put a serious hurt on several 101-fighting-keyboardists' and one of their main sponsors.
I hope they can be convinced to take advantage of this opportunity, as painful and scary as it may be in the short term.
Posted by: RedDan | Apr 18, 2006 3:34:09 AM
Revealing your phone number on a press release (or friendly website) is one thing, although ill-advised or naive. Revealing another persons phone number in a blog post that is directed at suppressing their message, and then refusing to remove it is entirely a different thing, even after overt threats have been issued as a result of the phone number publication. The later (Malkin's disgusting post) is a totalitarian tactic, to call a spade a spade.
I use the word totalitarian for good reason. To destroy a person's reputation without real cause or dispite the facts (swift-boating), or subject them to harassment and threats (Malkinism), or to deny facts in the public record (Limbaugh saying that Ben Domenech didn't plagarize), or to stereotype all liberals as terrorists (as many on the right have done, including prominent elected officials) is totalitarian action directed at not just disagreeing with a position, but actually inciting their destruction or removal from the political process.
Of this totalitarian demonization the Jewish laws in mid-1930's Nazi Germany were constructed - and the program toward a final solution (genocide) that followed that demonization in the late 30's and early 40's.
This isn't just Malkin, although she's one of the worst of US totalitarians. Fred Jones comment they had better be prepared to suffer the consequences makes him a part of this team as well.
The warning signs are here to read in our society. Rigged elections, the minority ignored in legislation, government lies about going to war and unconstitutionally claiming the power to ignore the laws, condemning dissenters as terrorists, and threats of physical force to suppress contrary ideas, among other actions.
Yes, Malkin is despicable, but she's just one more voice of the totalitarian attempt to change our way of life and our government in non-democratic ways that are hostile to our Constitution.
Once the German people failed to dispute and prevent their govenment from totalitarian actions in the mid-30's, there was no turning back when later attrocities occured. We have our brownshirts among us, they are just not in the streets beating people up and killing them, yet.
We have been warned by history - lets not ignore that lesson by saying it can't happen here.
Posted by: JimPortlandOR | Apr 18, 2006 4:17:54 AM
ezra,
pity seems to be the best emotion to have toward the malkins. pity that they use their time and efforts in a terrible way.
as for your description of college as a place to find yourself ... for every one student who does that, i bet there are five who are on the careerist path. probably not at ucsc (go banana slugs!) but at colleges throughout the u.s.
Posted by: harry near indy | Apr 18, 2006 6:20:02 AM
Every time I try to ignore that twit Malkin, she goes and does something contemptuous. Unfortunately, she has a whole army of quite stupid people who listen to her nasty braying. Oh, how I wish I could publish her phone numbers...but then what good would that do? It would be intelligent people bombarding Malkin with phone calls that she could never understand because she is not one bit intelligent. In fact, I am ashamed for the gender that she even exists.
Posted by: Terri | Apr 18, 2006 9:13:50 AM
We have our brownshirts among us.....
"There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made the thread in which the comment was posted is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.
It is considered poor form to raise arbitrarily such a comparison with the motive of ending the thread. There is a widely recognized codicil that any such deliberate invocation of Godwin's Law will be unsuccessful.
Although in one of its early forms Godwin's Law referred specifically to Usenet discussions[2], the law can be applied to any threaded online discussion: electronic mailing lists, message boards, and so on."
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law)
Posted by: Fred Jones | Apr 18, 2006 9:19:42 AM
Ms. Malkin has committed an outrage, not with her beliefs, odious as they are, but with her amazingly unethicial decision to publish the private numbers of the UCSC students.
This is violation of every journalistic principle and tradition I was ever taught.
In light of that, I must wonder why my post, soliciting tasteful and thoughtful letters of protest to Ms. Malkin's syndicator, which included the company's email fax number, were deleted last night.
This clearly was not a tit-for-tat disclosure. It was a suggestion for an expression of genuine concern and outrage over the unethcial practices of one of said company's properties. The information I posted is available with 3 clicks, starting with Ms. Malkin's own website.
While the hard right takes action and makes its feelings known, we appear content to cluck and tsk-tsk among ourselves.
In terms of the right, who are SERIOUS about the struggle, this would have been among the milder forms of protest. Once again, proof that they have the Prussians and we have the Bavarians.
Posted by: DwG | Apr 18, 2006 9:24:54 AM
As a conservative newspaperman who blogs: Spot on.
No excuse for running the personal info. None.
Posted by: donsurber | Apr 18, 2006 9:26:26 AM
My apologies. I retract the immediately preceding post. I was unaware the the time stamp on posts is Pacific. My original post is still there, for those inclined to draft a note to Creators Syndicate.
Posted by: DwG | Apr 18, 2006 9:30:34 AM
Dude, Thers -- you read her book? Was this some sort of V-for-Vendetta-esque reconditioning to free you from fear?
Boldly going where no man has gone before...
Regarding "smart conservatives" on the net or anywhere else, I think when WFB, Jr. dies, that may be the last of them. The rest are just hacks.
Posted by: JT Davis | Apr 18, 2006 9:31:38 AM
RedDan makes excellent points about litigation and using the incident to spread the message far and wide. He also says something that is not far off the mark:
"They entered the venue of attack politics, in a nation about 3 degrees removed from civil war over some pretty fundamental issues."
The right has made noises like this for some time, and not just the total wingnuts, although I suppose Jeff Goldstein is hardly a moderate. Sherman had some words of warning for the south before he went north and eventually joined the union army.
In 1859 Sherman accepted a job as the first superintendent of the Louisiana State Seminary of Learning and Military Academy in Pineville, a position offered to him by two of his Army friends from the South: P.G.T. Beauregard and Braxton Bragg. Sherman proved an effective and popular leader of that institution, which would later become Louisiana State University. Col. Joseph P. Taylor, the brother of the late President Zachary Taylor, declared that "if you had hunted the whole army, from one end of it to the other, you could not have found a man in it more admirably suited for the position in every respect than Sherman."
On hearing of South Carolina's secession from the United States, Sherman observed to a close friend, Prof. David F. Boyd of Virginia:
"You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. War is a terrible thing!
You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it ...
Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth—right at your doors.
You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail."
In January 1861 just before the outbreak of the American Civil War, Sherman was required to accept receipt of arms surrendered to the State Militia by the U.S. Arsenal at Baton Rouge. Instead of complying, he resigned his position as superintendent and returned to the North, declaring to the governor of Louisiana, "On no earthly account will I do any act or think any thought hostile ... to the ... United States." He became president of the St. Louis Railroad, a streetcar company, a position he held for only a few months before being called to Washington, D.C.
That's from Wiki. Not too much has changed since then... perhaps weapons manufacturing has diffused a bit more evenly about the country but as we know, Sherman left an impression on the south they seem to be unable to forget, or learn from.
Posted by: JT Davis | Apr 18, 2006 9:48:03 AM
Whoa...Ezra this seemed to have ignited something. Your entry on this was quite eloquent. I am not as eloquent as you are but will mutter through this. Though it would be easy to sprew hatred at Michelle what good would it do? As you paraphrased it she knows not what she does. It is unforunate that she felt the need to post their personal information and even more of ashame that some Americans feel the need to threaten these kids. Because that is all that they are ...kids. Most of these people sending the threats themselves have kids. How would they feel if their kids were threaten? College is a time to spread your wings...find your voice. yes kids must take responsibility for their actions. But these are the same kids that we are sending over to fight. Should they not have a voice? Should they not exercise this voice? Michelle made these students out to be a group of American hating knuckleheads. I did not see that. I think they hate the idea of war. Shouldn't we all? (And this is from an ex Naval officer.)My hat goes off to the students at UC. They stood for something. Most college students are fixed on their next fix, their groins, or their grades. (I know I am not too removed from my college years). So Hooray for their civil disobedience. Without this disobedience where would we be? Eating fish and chips and singing God save the Queen. But someone has said this before and better than I can ever say it..."Suffer the children..."
Posted by: Joel | Apr 18, 2006 9:58:28 AM
I'm a reasonably intelligent woman, and try as I may, I can't see the relationship between an earlier comment, one in which the totalitarian tactics of BushCo and its supporters is compared to what took place in WWII Germany, and Godwin's Law as detailed in the Wikipedia entry.
Probably because the author of that comment did not, as Godwin's Law describes, "...raise arbitrarily such a comparison with the motive of ending the thread."
There was no intent to end the thread, not according to what I read. Quite the contrary: the commenter was pointing out some important and rather obvious similarities between our socio-political climate and that which characterized a terrifying period in history, for Germany in particular.
Mr. Jones, I think the phrase goes something like, "Those who will not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." You are wholly entitled to support whichever politicians you wish and to believe as you see fit, but I wouldn't accuse someone--even in an abstruse, roundabout way--of maliciously ending a thread by invoking the N-word when said description accurately frames some of the "policies" (travesties) perpetrated by the criminals you support.
Posted by: litbrit | Apr 18, 2006 10:10:21 AM
> This is violation of every journalistic principle and tradition I was ever taught.
Further proof of what we all know deep down - blogging does not constitute journalism, no matter what political stripe it follows.
Posted by: Todd | Apr 18, 2006 10:33:40 AM
a couple of the commenters have stated that the hate mail received by SAW is an example of the type of people who read and share Malkins views.
Using that logic the hate mail Malkin has recieved is also an example of the type of people sympathetic to SAW and this blog correct?
I am sure most of you never read her site so here is a sample (take particular note of the racial slurs from so called liberals):
You belong in prison.You are a disgusting waste of oxygen.
You WILL burn in hell you disgusting cunt.
Someone ought to sew your cunt up with barbed wire. Not that it gets any use, you facist, hate spewing, disgraceful piece of shit.
You are a fucking slanty-eyed cunt.
Have a nice day
you miserable cunt... too bad your parents were not killed in a war...
listen chink
leave the students alone
lets call YOUR friends and family
Fuck you for printing those SAW numbers, you bitch. Hope you get harassed and your numbers printed. Did I say "fuck you"....Oh yeah...I guess I did. Bitch.
Emails no doubt sent by upstanding liberals and feminists right?
The fact is the fringe on both sides including the members of SAW embarrassed themselves here.
Posted by: The Ugly American | Apr 18, 2006 10:44:08 AM
And you know those emails are liberals, exactly how?
And notice that, regardless of the foul, sexist, and sometimes racist nature of those comments, there is a distinct lack of ... umm... death threats?
Posted by: RedDan | Apr 18, 2006 10:53:00 AM
Meme, Counter-meme By Mike Godwin
Posted by: Fred Jones | Apr 18, 2006 10:54:01 AM
Hey Fred....STFU
Posted by: Mrs Fred | Apr 18, 2006 10:56:01 AM
Hamilton Lovecraft's Law: The guy who has to bring up Godwin's Law in response to a reasoned comparison to Nazis is probably a cryptofascist.
Posted by: Hamilton Lovecraft | Apr 18, 2006 11:04:51 AM
I think it would be a lot easier for the left if Malkin was WHITE. They could then justify the racism.
Posted by: Fred Jones | Apr 18, 2006 11:07:23 AM
just another perspective on the whole matter...
...
love is patient, love is kind. it does
not envy, it does not
boast, it is not proud.
it is not rude, it is not
self seeking, it is not
easily angered, it keeps
no record of wrongs...
it always protects,
always trust, always
hopes, always
perseveres. love
never fails.
......corinthians 13/4
.................
i just wonder...
at the end of the day,
and the debate..
is there better counsel than this?
Posted by: jacqueline | Apr 18, 2006 11:20:06 AM
I don't know what a moonbat is, but it sounds like a pretty cool creature to me man.
Everyone else pretty much echoed how I feel about Malkin's comments.
I would like to add one thing in all fairness however. The students that slashed the recruiters' tires ought to be disciplined as well, if they were ever caught. Responsibility is a two way street.
Posted by: Adrock | Apr 18, 2006 11:44:09 AM
as I said before, I am a lefty - a proud moonbat. I think it was wrong for malkin to post, then repost those numbers, but i think those kids basically deserved it. as adults 'in a playground' they need to learn the consequences of posting personal information. this does not mean I condone the death threats or other asinine crap that people did - none of this would have happened if they had just kept their private info private.
the "students slashing tires" crap is also a load of shit. the woman who witnessed it said that she saw a group of 20-30 bike riders in hoods or something, and she *judged* by their ages that they were college students. without knowing who they were, she used her 'judgement' to decide that these were uc college students. I call bullshit.
Posted by: prozacula | Apr 18, 2006 11:57:51 AM
Oh why am I not surprised that Brian Baloney, The Radio Fertilizer, would be the one to rat on these kids to Michelle.
Turds of a feather flock together....
Posted by: Ann | Apr 18, 2006 11:59:19 AM
If a newspaper prints contact information for a person in an article (and the person provided and authorized the release of that info) and that person receives death threats, is the paper responsible for instigating those threats? Is the paper under an obligation to track down and reclaim each and every copy of the issue that contained the contact info?
Posted by: Jason | Apr 18, 2006 12:08:23 PM
A related issue that I would like to explore is the consensus by silence that it is somehow advantageous to have mobs attempt to do end-runs around democratic processes when it comes to public policy issues.
Does this also include those who demonstrate at abortion clinics or is this reserved for those who wish to undermine their country's ability to recruit soldiers for our defense forces?
Posted by: Fred Jones | Apr 18, 2006 1:09:25 PM
Define "end-run."
Abortion protestors are allowed to protest provided is done a certain distance from the clinic. I see no reason to differentiate.
Posted by: Adrock | Apr 18, 2006 1:32:12 PM
Neither the abortion protestors or the goober students should be doing any end-run. We have a system and they have not exhausted that first.
Both are attempts as mob rule. What slays me is how the left lauds it as "freedom" when it is done for their pet projects.
Posted by: Fred Jones | Apr 18, 2006 1:40:02 PM
I've got no problem with abortion protesters speaking their piece as long as they don't physically block people from entering the clinic and don't get loud and obnoxious enough to hit the threshold of harrassment or disturbing the peace or sundry other charges that can be brought to bear against jerks. Fred, not all of us are afraid of hearing what the other side has to say.
Posted by: Violet Slandre | Apr 18, 2006 1:42:51 PM
One thing that has not been mentioned anywhere here (in the cascade of vitriol at Michelle Malkin) is that I rather suspect (being one who has been a long time reader of Michelle's website and who has on occasion corresponded with her) that these individuals have been involved in a serious attack on Michelle at some point and now find themselves on the receiving end of their own medicine.
I have read some of the constant barrage of smears, lies, and actual death threats that have been leveled at Michelle. They would shiver your soul to read them.
She has been a regular target of the MeCHA/La Raza terrorists due to her early-on investigations of their activities and actions to bring about the reconquest of the US Southwest by Mexico. She has a bodyguard and permanent security due to this and has been warned on several occasions by the FBI that there are people planning to harm her and her family.
If you are going to level threats and insults at people like the threats and curses she gets, you had better be prepared for what will happen to you when you place yourself at her mercy. If you intend to challange her you'd better be careful to cover your rear when you do. You don't want to screw with those who are out of your league.
Jumping into a pool with nothing but a stick to confront a shark because you don't like how sharp its teeth are is not a healthy thing to do. These guys will likely watch themselves more carefully in the future...if they survive today.
Posted by: wayne | Apr 18, 2006 1:49:26 PM
get over it.
Posted by: crispy | Apr 18, 2006 2:03:11 PM
...you had better be prepared for what will happen to you when you place yourself at her mercy. If you intend to challange her you'd better be careful to cover your rear when you do. You don't want to screw with those who are out of your league.
That was my point as well, but it somehow turned into "Fred approves" or some such bullshit.
Posted by: Fred Jones | Apr 18, 2006 2:07:38 PM
I've got no problem with abortion protesters speaking their piece as long as they don't physically block people from entering the clinic and don't get loud and obnoxious enough to hit the threshold of harrassment or disturbing the peace or sundry other charges that can be brought to bear against jerks.
And how is the protest at UCSC against the recruiters any different than that??
Posted by: Fred Jones | Apr 18, 2006 2:09:00 PM
Once again hijacker Fred diverts the discussion from the appropriateness of publishing the home phone numbers of ANYONE without their permission (or in spite of their request to have their names withdrawn from the site) into a diatribe about public protests.
Public demonstrations are NOT an end-run around democracy, they are a part of the spectrum of free speech (within limits) that are a vibrant part of any democracy worth that name.
Threats of bodily harm are criminal acts, plain and simple, regardless of the cause or source. It is called assault. When these threats are generated by a group of people with the intent of silencing others, it is not only conspiracy to commit assault, but it also a hallmark of totalitarianism.
Get off your high horse, Fred, he's already been beaten to near death. And please don't hijack discussions.
Posted by: JimPortlandOR | Apr 18, 2006 2:20:52 PM
Fred, the UCSC protest ISN'T different. That's the point. Both the UCSC students and abortion clinic protesters have a right to be there, as long as they don't cross over to harassment. If the UCSC students were just protesting, fine. If they crossed a line and violated the law, fine, arrest them. It's called the first amendment - you know, right to assemble, right to petition for a redress of greivences? I'm pretty sure we haven't gotten rid of the 1st amendment yet.
Posted by: NoVA liberal | Apr 18, 2006 2:22:26 PM
...long as they don't cross over to harassment.
And the recruiters left for what reason....coffee?
Posted by: Fred Jones | Apr 18, 2006 2:29:01 PM
I never said that the protesters didn't cross that line. I said as long as they didn't. I don't know the full specifics of the protest and what happened; I'm unfortunatly on the other side of the US. Besides, there is a big difference between bothering and harassing. You bother me, but I don't think I can claim you are harassing me.
Posted by: NoVA liberal | Apr 18, 2006 2:33:47 PM
I am sure you weren't serious with your comments Dan but I will endulge:
And you know those emails are liberals, exactly how?
by the same measure that you know the hate mail to SAW is from conservatives.
And notice that, regardless of the foul, sexist, and sometimes racist nature of those comments, there is a distinct lack of ... umm... death threats?
Actually I don't think I read an actual death threat on SAW's site either. (I could be wrong) Lot's of people wishing other people would do them harm, or saying they deserved to be harmed. I found the comments to be very similar.
Again the comments on both sides reflect poorly on the respective emailers.
Posted by: The Ugly American | Apr 18, 2006 3:14:35 PM
I encourage people to write her or anyone else you have a problem with. Action.
WriteMalkin@gmail.com
I find that genuine questions and offer of dialogue works better than vicious attacks that are typical of many pundits. Don't you?
Posted by: Ben Zolno | Apr 18, 2006 3:32:39 PM
Gee, there's a lot of hatred and intolerance here for a site frequented by people who, no doubt, consider themselves members of the party of "compassion and tolerance."
Posted by: libertarianobserver | Apr 18, 2006 4:21:15 PM
Wayne:
yada yada yada . You don't want to screw with those who are out of your league. yada yada yada
Thank you for that hilarious reading! I needed a laugh on this workday.
Man, what...are...you...talking about? It was Malkin who jumped into the "pool" first and decided to make it personal by posting their contact information, knowing her minions would contact them. You're whole paragraph make it seem like SAW went up against her, when it was the other way around.
And yes, I'm using the word minions here Mr. Libertarian. So what? The day this blog gets justifiably tagged as hateful and intolerant is the day I grow that much needed 3rd eye. I'm telling you, it would be sweet.
Posted by: Adrock | Apr 18, 2006 4:41:59 PM
I woundn't have posted these student's numbers (I posted their names as they are leaders, but not their contact info), but as they use this exact same press release with contact information as an apparent recruiting tool, the student's should realize they can't have it both ways.
I find it far more troubling that it seems many of you are far more concerned with empty threats from empty-headed people (we have no shortage on either side, it seems), than you are the very real fact that these students seem to have commited felonies, not the least of which is a purposeful violation of Title 18, Part I, chapter 115 Section 2388 (a).
Posted by: Bob Owens | Apr 18, 2006 6:26:38 PM
Well, it would be interesting to hear that same stuff you wrote become spewed out of your mouth in a debate against Michele Malkin. It's very easy to attack someone not directly, without any reference, and based on consumptive emotions of bias. I like to call those attributes of subconscious conspiracy, emotional conspiracy. Of coarse although, you're head of the conspiracy game!
Posted by: Ashton | Apr 18, 2006 8:27:15 PM
Just wanted to thank Ezra for accepting my trackback and letting me share my views on this.
Bookmark me, I'm good! ;)
Posted by: Theo | Apr 18, 2006 8:33:21 PM
Put me down for an order of a purposeful violation of Title 18, Part I, chapter 115 Section 2388 (a). I love it! End the war, strangle the army recruiting efforts, and finally, perhaps, we can get back to a constitutional norm where the executive branch doesn't send out soldiers on vanity projects contrary to this nation's interest. The way to do it is to treat recruiters the way anti-abortion folks treat Planned parenthood.
Or as Barry G. once put it, extremism in defence of liberty is no vice. I am pretty sure the anti-recruitment drive is having an effect, too. Last year, the Pacific Northwest recruiters reported a 40 percent drop in new recruits. African Americans, who at one point constituted 19 percent of recruits, are now down to 7 -- a huge drop. The army is preying on economically depressed country kids, and this is where we have to violate the law next. Get to those kids and persuade them not to fight this war.
Posted by: roger | Apr 18, 2006 10:17:05 PM
Does this also include those who demonstrate at abortion clinics or is this reserved for those who wish to undermine their country's ability to recruit soldiers for our defense forces?
Dear Fred:
Can you distinguish between the following things?
- protesting in a public place*,
- Issuing threats against people for their views in their homes, and incitement thereof.
If you can't, then you're obviously both legally and morally ignorant.
If you can, then please stop attempting to slide in an equivalence between Malkin's incitement and some dumb kids making noise on campus.
'Kay?
* For the discussion at hand, I'm setting aside a number of complicating factors in matters of public protest, but the large majority of those blow against Fred's point, too.
This is not legal advice, and I am not a lawyer.
Posted by: fishbane | Apr 18, 2006 11:28:55 PM
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=malkin9kq.gif
"SAW has removed the contact information from its press release and is now lying about the fact that it made the info publicly available on the Internet. I am leaving it up. If you are contacting them, I do not condone death threats or foul language. As for SAW, my message is this: You are responsible for your individual actions. Other individuals are responsible for theirs. Grow up and take responsibility."
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=malkin9kq.gif
Take the responsibility for leaving your personal details on the internet then Malkin.
Posted by: themole | Apr 19, 2006 6:33:30 AM
Heres hoping that Karma makes a beeline for Malkin, with every pox it can bring to bear.
Posted by: bubba | Apr 19, 2006 8:01:37 AM
Fred Jones: However, if these students wish to enter the rough and tumble world of adult politics by getting involved in the anti-war movement and run the military off, then they had better be prepared to suffer the consequences....
om,
First explaining in my post that is is a dirty trick and then explaining that no one should be shocked is a far cry from "endorsing thuggish brutality". However, feel free to be just as big of a JACKASS as you wish.
Saying the students got expectable, responses, and needed to be prepared to suffer them, that's saying such thuggishness is normal.
Ezra does make a mistake, the press release (I used to be a reporter, before I joined the Army) containing their names, and contact info wasn't foolish. Press releases routinely have contact information. Without it there's damned little chance the information will make it into the paper.
What was out of the norm was a member of the press making that information public, absent a statement in the release authorizing it.
Evan:And unfortunately, since you have no intelligent conservative regulars to counterbalance Fred, the net effect is that Fred is conditioning your audience to associate "conservatives" with "Fred". Thus making it less and less likely that you'll attract and keep any real conservatives in the future. You are letting Fred set the tone. Why?
There are two, or three, issues here. The first question is the representatative nature of Fred Jones. Given the Limbaughs, O'Reillys, Coulters, Savages, Horowitz and Malkins of the present world, I don't see that Fred Jones is 1: giving the only example of "conservatives" nor 2: that he is the worst.
If the "real conservatives" want to show a better face they could start by rising up and denouncing the famous ones. I keep hearing that no "real" conservative gives them any credence, but I also see them with bully pulpits, millions of readers and listeners and big fat bank accounts, garnered from columns, airtime and speaking fees.
As to the latter half, why is Fred Jones allowed to hang out, I can't speak for Ezra, but playing the LGF/RedState game of banning people who don't toe the line seems hypocritical to me.
TK
Posted by: Terry Karney | Apr 19, 2006 10:38:30 AM
If you can, then please stop attempting to slide in an equivalence between Malkin's incitement and some dumb kids making noise on campus.
To characterize these people as just some gnats that aren't worth dealing with, just dumb kids, is not honest. These people are colluding to deprive the military it's lawful right to recruit on campus. When that happens, they cease to be just kids and become targets by the opposition.
And that is what happened.
Posted by: Fred Jones | Apr 19, 2006 11:06:39 AM
Taffy the Troll always feels the need to have the last word, even if it's a thread-hijack. Oh, sad sad sad.
I have read some of the constant barrage of smears, lies, and actual death threats that have been leveled at Michelle. They would shiver your soul to read them.
Any from 'King Leopold of the Belgians', perchance? I invoke d-squared's rule. And if there's a real threat to her safety, then there's an obvious solution: send her to a nice faraway camp with twelve-foot wire fences. For her own protection, natch.
Posted by: nick s | Apr 19, 2006 12:37:02 PM
Malkins is a symptom of the disease our current political discourse is suffering.
If (most) pundits and (most) politicians had to speak the truth, without ad hominem, strawman, or red herring attacks, then they wouldn't have much to say. They either do not utilize or they do not have any critical reasoning skills.
Malkin has wiped the slime from the bottom of the barrel with her attack on these UC students, but it isn't any worse than what I hear on rightwing talk radio, like when Michael Savage says we should kill 100 million Muslims or when Ann Coulter says we should kill them and force them to convert to Christianity. [I studied religion and philosophy at a Baptist college and then at a Methodist seminary, and I do not understand how she thinks her ethics are "Christian."]
Thanks to Ezra for her style; maybe if we start having actual dialogue and genuine discussion instead of all the logical fallacies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacies) then we'll actually achieve some agreeable political consensus in this sharply divided country of ours.
It's time we elevate the level of discussion beyond the current two-word-phrase/talking-past-one-another political discourse that is now prevalent and act like thinking adults.
Posted by: schroeder | Apr 19, 2006 4:58:21 PM
"That, after all, is what college is about -- providing a protected space for young adults to experiment, learn, try out ideas and identities."
As long as you don't want to talk to a military recruiter.
If those students did this in the real world, they might have gotten much worse than have their publically available information reposted on another website. What if the MSM ran with their release. I bet they were hoping that they did. Malkin granted their wish.
When you experiment, it is best to receive accurate results. This way, when you leave your 'protected' college environment, you know what to expect.
Posted by: Fred Fry | Apr 20, 2006 10:15:10 AM
Regarding how this all started, Michelle Malkin went to a cached page, took a screenshot, and posted the image on her site because didn't like the politics of the people. It's not her place to justify the disclosing of this information because she deemed that they were terrorizing people. That's an issue for the Santa Cruz police department to deal with, not her own brand of vigilante justice.
As for her own personal details - Malkin included that on her own e-mail list and that's how it went public. She launched her personal information about herself BY herself.
And the anti-racist One People's Project website promptly released her new details.
Someone took it a step further and used live.windows.com and yahoo maps to do a Graphic.
Payback's a bitch eh' Malkin?
Her refusal to remove these kids contact information was not from conviction, but from revenue. Every journalist in the world knows that contact information on a press release is for journalists to call for more information or interviews, not to be published (or even pointed out) in the publication itself. If she were any kind of ethical person she would have pulled the information when asked.
If she were something resembling a human being with "feelings", she would not have republished the information once the students themselves removed it. Michelle is a vicious, vindictive, venomous egoist with no discernible ethics nor even a shred of human decency. If she wants to be The Minority Woman Who Believes Minorities and Women Suck, that's her right. But she should at least have the integrity to acknowledge that she has done wrong and to stop compounding the wrong. And she should not give us that disingenuous crap about how she doesn't condone death threats and nobody should misuse her posting and reposting of personal information.
Posted by: themole | Apr 20, 2006 2:17:16 PM
There's an [i] tag somewhere in Terry Karney's post that needs closing, methinks.
Nice to find you, Ezra. I started reading Pandagon after you'd left, so I'm glad to get to read you now.
I like the thoughts about what gets a pundit started on a particular course.
Posted by: tigtog | Apr 21, 2006 7:42:11 PM
It is a wonder that anyone is voluntarilly enlisting these days.. The respect for this war and our President are almost non existent.. but I guess there will always be some kids who will by into the tv commercials..too bad they have to die for it.
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