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December 06, 2005

Obama 08?

Over at The New Republic, Ryan Lizza has penned a surprisingly convincing case for Obama 08. Normally, starstruck Barack-boosters are shot down on grounds of greenness, insufficient gravitas, and need for seasoning. But to Lizza, that's exactly the point:

The main objection to an Obama run is his obvious lack of experience. He needs at least a full Senate term before he is taken seriously, the argument goes. On the one hand, each day spent in the Senate gives Obama more experience and stature for his inevitable presidential campaign. But each day also brings with it an accumulation of tough votes, the temptations of bad compromises, potentially perilous interactions with lobbyists, and all the other behaviors necessary to operate as a successful senator. At some unknowable date in the future, remaining in the Senate will reach a point of diminishing returns for Obama. The experience gained by being a good senator will start to be outweighed by the staleness acquired by staying in Washington.

There's no way for Obama to know when he will reach this point. That uncertainty makes 2008 look like his best opportunity. He can be certain that 2008 will be a year with a wide open primary on both the Republican and Democratic sides in which neither a sitting president nor vice president will be running, a rare event in presidential politics that lowers the bar of entry for all candidates. He can have a high degree of confidence that if he waits until 2012, he will face the historically impossible task of unseating the incumbent president of his own party, or the historically difficult task of unseating the incumbent president of the opposition party. The 2016 race would probably be his final chance. But by waiting until then he would have to bet that the Senate has not destroyed his career, or, if he has moved to the safer confines of the Illinois governor's mansion--his next chance would be in 2010--that he has not already passed his political peak.

Smart stuff. And I'm largely convinced, which means I've been leading you all astray for the past year. Sorry bout that. But with Obama's star power, fundraising potential, and ability to speak to all wings of the party simultaneously are qualities that make him a helluva candidate now, but may not persist for another decade.

Nevertheless, I think the actual aim of that candidacy should be the Veep slot. Obama's political youth is a valid weakness, even if waiting it out would prove a poor strategy. Becoming VP, though, sets him up for the top slot in either four or eight years, and does so without any allegations of jumping the queue. Now, the way for a newcomer to snag the VP slot is often a presidential candidacy (see Edwards, John), but Obama may be able to leverage his wattage into a surprise pick., That'd probably prove the best of all worlds.

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You're right -- VP is his best bet. There's no way in hell a first-term Senator could overcome the inexperience problem.

Gore/Obama '08. Make it happen, Ezra.

Posted by: Realish | Dec 6, 2005 2:06:59 PM

How about Obama resigning his Senate seat in '11 to run for Governor of Illinois, spend a term in that office, getting 'exec' creds while helping elect Democrats and spread progressive ideals across the nation.

2016 in a Rooseveltian landslide?

Posted by: stumpy | Dec 6, 2005 2:20:12 PM

The Republicans are thinking "fresh meat."

Posted by: Adrock | Dec 6, 2005 2:37:06 PM

NO!
Americans don’t like to elect Sitting Senators to the Presidency, for all the reasons you mention. But the VP is the fricking _president_ of the Senate. Granted, that roll is largely ceremonial, but Sitting VP have faired worse than sitting Senators; every weakness of a Senator is magnified in a VP...

Posted by: Andrew Cory | Dec 6, 2005 2:37:44 PM

I think Liza is too quick to dismiss the governor option:

But by waiting until then he would have to bet that the Senate has not destroyed his career, or, if he has moved to the safer confines of the Illinois governor's mansion--his next chance would be in 2010--that he has not already passed his political peak.

Passed his political peak? Why would being governor make that more (rather than less) likely?

Posted by: Realish | Dec 6, 2005 2:41:48 PM

The counterargument is actually Bill Clinton. Clinton was a Young Turk when he was Arkansas AG, and then governor in 1978. He lost in 1980, then came back in 1982. He was a dark horse possibility for the 1988 nomination, but he held off until 1992, the 18th year of his political career. Yes, he was a young presidential candidate, but he could have been an even younger one. Obama is in the same boat, albeit a few years older (his youngest possible candidace will be at age 47, not 42).

Likewise, Nixon was a Young Turk in 1960, he lost, but the won the presidency in 1968.

I think Obama stands a reasonable case of making a "second act" career if he runs in 2016 or 2020 (when he will be 59).

I do not think it's abundantly clear that Democrats will win the white house in 1980. If Iraq and the economy stabilizes somewhat, we will basically be back in the situation where we were in 1988. The economy will be neither a plus nor a minus, and the GOP will get credit for partial stabilization in Iraq. Democrats will think it's in the bag, but some Hortoning/Swift Boating can change things in a hurry.

Posted by: Nicholas Beaudrot | Dec 6, 2005 3:04:53 PM

I think there's a good chance whoever wins the nom will feel he has to choose Obama as his running mate -- at least if it's a Kerry/ Clinton/ Biden type who has been around for a long time and smells slightly musty (maybe not if it's Edwards). Obama might be better off not soiling himself with a presidential primary campaign (people ruin themselves in primary campaigns as much as they do making years worth of inauspicious votes in the Senate) and joining whoever emerges from the '08 gaggle as the nominee. He could sort of clean up that person's wounds so to speak, because it's likely to be a raucous primary, with everybody assuming whoever wins the primary will go on to be president.

Posted by: Laura | Dec 6, 2005 3:16:11 PM

Those may be decent reasons for why Obama would want to run in 2008. There are no reasons there for why he should be President in 2008 though, or why someone should vote him (unless you take it as Gospel that Obama should be President some time and this is the best shot.)

I like Obama, but I think a more compelling reason than 'this is his best shot' needs to be given as to why he would be a good nominee or a good President.

Posted by: Dave Justus | Dec 6, 2005 3:23:21 PM

but I think a more compelling reason than 'this is his
best shot' needs to be given as to why he would be a good nominee or a
good President.

Like Bush supposedly was, Obama is a good man, a faithful Christian, and seems like the sort of guy I'd like to have a beer with. Unlike Bush, he does not have a history of alcoholism, and Obama has a genuine respect for learning and education. Since he's in all respects better than the man who became president in 2000, certainly there is justification for his presidency.

Posted by: Constantine | Dec 6, 2005 4:11:11 PM

Unlike Bush, he does not have a history of alcoholism,

From a review of Dreams of My Father: "Obama discusses trying to come to grips with his racial identity through a period of rebellion that included drug use, becoming a community activist in Chicago and traveling to Kenya to understand his father's past ..."

Posted by: Nicholas Beaudrot | Dec 6, 2005 4:28:05 PM

You know, I now remember that Obama admitted to using drugs in his past, though in my haste to make a witty rhetorical retort to Dave Justus, that fact had slipped my mind.

Posted by: Constantine | Dec 6, 2005 4:40:20 PM

Edwards/Obama '08

Posted by: Joe O | Dec 6, 2005 5:15:51 PM

is there any more to her argument because the one you quoted is pretty old, people have been saying that since he gave his speech at the DNC.

Posted by: steve c | Dec 6, 2005 5:31:23 PM

somebody explain to my why obama's brief experimentaion with cocaine matters. if anything, i almost value the fact he tried it. seriously.

Posted by: steve c | Dec 6, 2005 5:33:26 PM

is there any more to her argument because the one you quoted is pretty old, people have been saying that since he gave his speech at the DNC.

Posted by: steve c | Dec 6, 2005 5:41:45 PM

Edwards/Obama

ABH
Anybody but Hillary

Posted by: Kelly M | Dec 6, 2005 5:56:06 PM

Nicholas makes some excellent points. It's not "08 or nothing" for Obama.

That said, barring something major shifting between now and then, if he runs in 08 (and Gore doesn't), he'll likely have my support.

Posted by: fiat lux | Dec 6, 2005 6:42:58 PM

Barack Obama/Kathleen Sebelius 2008!

Because on average, they're Missourians (if you sum an Illinoisan and a Kansan and divide by two, I think you get a Missourian, geographically), and I'm a Missourian!

Posted by: Julian Elson | Dec 6, 2005 8:00:05 PM

I think he must become a governor before being in the Senate completely destroys any possibility of success in the presidential election.

Posted by: TJ | Dec 7, 2005 12:01:24 AM

Uh, Ezra?

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-sen04.html

Ridiculing it as "a silly question," Democrat Barack Obama pledged Wednesday he would resist any overtures to run for president or vice president before the end of his six-year term as a U.S. senator.

"I was elected yesterday," Obama said. "I have never set foot in the U.S. Senate. I've never worked in Washington. And the notion that somehow I'm immediately going to start running for higher office just doesn't make sense.

"So look, I can unequivocally say I will not be running for national office in four years, and my entire focus is making sure that I'm the best possible senator on behalf of the people of Illinois."

What makes you think Sen. Obama has changed his mind at all in the past year?

Posted by: Andrew | Dec 7, 2005 12:33:44 AM

If we're setting ht ebar at "He'd be a better president than Bush" we could just go ahead and nominate Patches, the clinton's dog. We need someone who can not just be better than the worst president ever, but be able to clean up after him. Maybe that's Obama but do we really want our first black president to be a glorified Janitor? Because that's what the next Pres. will be. Now, maybe Obamma would be good as clean up man but I think Edwards or Gore would do a better job. Especially Gore. All he ahs to do is say," Rememebr how thigns were in 96? Good Times. I'll do that an dhten some."

Save Obama for '16.

Posted by: Keith | Dec 7, 2005 2:11:26 PM

Obama 08, lets not loss this guy to Wash D.C. pressure and corruption. He's worth saving NOW. The longer he's in the Senete the chances of getting tarnished are to great.

Posted by: Outfield Angel | Dec 8, 2005 5:09:14 AM

The only reason Obama admitted he used cocaine was because eventually one of his numerous crack-head buddies would have spilled the beans. Now I know where Obama's political views come from because most crack-heads think hard-working Americans should be forced to pay for their housing, food & drugs...

Posted by: jeff | Jan 4, 2007 5:26:12 PM

Hilary/Obama:
I do my damnest not to think in racial or gender terms, but anyone who thinks America is going to elect the first woman president and the first black vice-president in one fell swoop is either star struck, ignorant or has their head in the sand...

Gore/Obama:
Gore is done; he has shown himself to be a complete nut job.

Edwards/Obama:
I just don't get Edward -- he's pretty, but what else besides a smooth talking, rather slimy ambulance chasing attorney?

Well, you folks have fun. I'd wager good money Obama won't be inhabiting the White House (or the VP residence) anytime soon...

Posted by: Jeff S | Jan 6, 2007 11:34:06 AM

Wake up and smell reality. Gore/Obama 08
That's the ticket. yah.

Posted by: Keith B | Jun 16, 2007 10:57:59 AM

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