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November 30, 2005

With Friends Like These...

Man, this is just insane:

It seems to the Moose that there should be a brief interval (3 weeks) when our leaders suspend their talk of withdrawal or "withdrawal lite- redeployment" and vocally indicate their support for Iraqi democracy. Progressives certainly should embrace this heroic act of choice and self-determination.

They sure should. Now what does this have to do with withdrawal? If a single Democrat supported Wittman's inane suggestion, we'd lose the entire argument. Withdrawal advocates believe that Iraqis, who overwhelmingly want us to leave, can build a better democracy and a stronger country without our presence. As the argument goes, by exiting, the sections of the insurgency that our Jihadist in nature will calm, leaving only separatists who'll be attacking their countrymen without the excuse of a foreign enemy. For Wittman to tar withdrawal advocates as somehow anti-democracy -- particularly when every poll and every survey shows 80% of Iraqis would vote for us to leave -- is truly reprehensible.

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I'd like to hear more vocal support for motherhood, too. And maybe the Dems oughta quit pussyfooting around the all-powerful NAMBLA lobby, and finally take a stand against pedophiles.

Boy, that Wittman sure is smart!

Posted by: sglover | Nov 30, 2005 12:46:04 PM

Do it for the centrism you can only get from an ex-Christian Coalition hack!

Posted by: norbizness | Nov 30, 2005 1:22:27 PM

Just an observation from too much time spent there, but the speed at which a Redstate commenter's conception of ordinary Iraqis will switch from "long-oppressed sufferers who must be given democracy" to "enemies who must be crushed, not appeased" is really amazing.

Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Nov 30, 2005 1:39:54 PM

every poll and every survey shows 80% of Iraqis would vote for us to leave...

I am guessing that you think this is a mandate to leave? So, we take a poll and that settles it?

I wonder what the Germans thought the first couple of years we occupied Germany...or the Japanese.

Posted by: Fred Jones | Nov 30, 2005 2:16:36 PM

Wittman seems to believe that every issue should be solved by a pseudo-Solomonic baby cleaving. I'd hate to see his proposals on childcare.

Posted by: apostropher | Nov 30, 2005 2:32:38 PM

[every poll and every survey shows 80% of Iraqis would vote for us to leave...

I am guessing that you think this is a mandate to leave? So, we take a poll and that settles it?]

yeah, I'd say 80% of a country represents a mandate. the comparison to post-WWII germany and japan is moronic. as pedantic as it is to remind folks, those two countries actually waged war against the U.S. the iraq invasion is simply a pile of sophistry wrapped around a neo-con's wet dream.

[I wonder what the Germans thought the first couple of years we occupied Germany...or the Japanese.]

and besides, I have no idea what the japanese thought about our occupation of germany. does it matter? or were you suggesting we occupied acutal japanese citizens instead of the whole country?

snarky, but well deserved. I vote we issue a fatwa on false equivalences and crappy logic.

Posted by: Mencken | Nov 30, 2005 5:44:26 PM

im just gonna issue a signing statement and do what i want no matter what people blog about. bet you didn't know that i did a signing statement on the recent patriot act thing right?

Hells Bells WTFU Congress isn't republican or democratic controlled, they have basically no power with what the 'WAR' and the Signing Statements, which BTW is WHY I don't NEED or USE Veto's.

Posted by: 'Duhbya' Bush | Mar 25, 2006 3:19:44 PM

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