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October 20, 2005

Tax and Spend Republicans

As the Carpetbagger notes, the tax plan floated by Bush's reform commission isn't getting half the fire from Democrats that it's getting from Republicans. It's like a level of Contra over there. And not one of those early, wimpy levels, we're talking scattershots and screen slowdown and epileptic seizures from all the tiny balls of death darting across the screen.

Ahem.

We've yet to see what the official document says, and we've no idea what Bush's ultimate recommendations will be, but assuming the President remains in the neighborhood of his commission's report, we're looking at a crack-up that splits right down the center of the conservative coalition. Taxes are the lifeblood of modern conservatism, this is Howard Jarvis stuff. You can't have apostasy there. And post-Miers, if Bush tries, the disappointment and head-shaking sadness we're seeing from Kristol and Frum will give way to a primal scream and war paint from the more, uh, energetic members of the conservative coalition.

Mystery Pollster, today, argued that Bush's numbers really can't fall further till his base deserts him. On Miers, that wasn't happening. But Miers is an elite issue, a disappointment in the upper echelons of the Republican punditocracy -- the base has remained fairly trusting on her. But if the President tells them he's about to take their health and home deductions and the antitax coalition tells them they're getting screwed, that'll change real quick.

Generally, when you need your base, you pander to them. Whether it's incidental or intentional, Bush seems to have gone in the other direction. That's making for better policy, to be sure, but it's putting the Republican coalition in real danger. It's like having my cake and eating it too.

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If by "base" you mean red-state working class republicans, then they will be largely unaffected by the mortgage deduction changes. But I doubt they will wait to find that out. Once they hear the IRS is coming after that money, chances are it's over for them, whether they have a $400,000 mortgage or not.

If by "base" you mean upper middle class exburbanites, they are poised to get completely fucked by these changes right off the bat. Overleveraged McManshions owners unite!

I understand the overwhelming drive to change tax structures to benefit the wealthy. But to this point they've relied on everybody thinking they would one day be rich, and not feeling too much pain while they wait for that to happen. this is much to blunt an instrument that they are using on people to not notice what's happening.

There simply aren't enough millionaires out there to reelect any of these guys if they go through with this.

Posted by: Mr Furious | Oct 20, 2005 11:59:55 AM

"Mystery Pollster, today, argued that Bush's numbers really can't fall further till his base deserts him. On Miers, that wasn't happening. But Miers is an elite issue, a disappointment in the upper echelons of the Republican punditocracy --"

That is incorrect. As a member of the Republican base and not a member of the 'elite', I can tell you that the Miers nomination has been a disapointment. People I talk to are disappointed. I guarantee Bush's job approval dropped among the base (not just the 'elites' in the Republican party) because of Miers nomination.

I wouldn't be surprised if she withdraws or is voted down (in a Republican/Democrat coalition against Miers).

Things aren't as bad with the Republicans are with the Democrats. The Republican base is debating Miers, we want Bush to quit spending like a drunken sailor, and want more strict border control and expulsion of illegals(although yesterdays speech by Bush and Chertof is refreshing).

The Democrat's base is far more fractured than the Republicans, and if you can't fathom what I am talking about, either you are not paying attention or you are drunk on kool-aid.

Why do you think the Democrats can not capitalize on Bush's low numbers?

Because they have nothing to offer. No plans, no ideas and no solutions. All Democrats can say is "America can do better" but they can not say how. I wonder what their catch phrase will be in the next election? Maybe it will be "America can do better". Remember how well those catch phrases worked for Kerry? And he had a new one every other day!

Although a disturbing number of Americans vote based on catch phrases and sound bites, I think the last election shows that the Dems are going to have to come up with real solutions and ideas if they want to regain power, not just criticisms.

Posted by: Captain Toke | Oct 20, 2005 12:25:16 PM

I think the real problem is that they're running out of wiggle room. They've given the top 2% all the easy money already. In order to do any more now, they need to offset cuts for the favored couple percentiles with tax increases on everyone else.

The two items currently on the table to help the rich are axing the AMT and the gift & estate tax. In the former case, the not-entirely-terrible ideas the reform commission is leaking are meant as offsets to ending the AMT. On the gift & estate tax, the mooted offset has been ending step-up basis.

In the latter case, the losers are the merely rich (whose heirs step-up really helps) versus the obscenely wealthy. In the battole between the Waltons and Paris Hilton on one side and your mere $200k-a-year earner on the other, it has so far been Paris Hilton in a landslide. Such, I assumed, was the structure of the new Republican plutocracy.

GOP reactions to the reform commission have surprised me, however, as it finally seems to be registering on the merely wealthy that they can no longer coast along on the scraps from the ongoing Paris Hilton Permanent Trust Fund Act. Those with million-dollar mortgages and a tasty, traditional health package to go with their $200k salary are suddenly faced with being pretty big losers as, once again, the truly gilded walk off with the spoils.

In a purely bread-and-circuses sort of way, I am greatly enheartened. The mass affluent, after all, unlike the merely upper-middle, middle or working classes have the werewithal to fight for more than table scraps.

I doubt that in the short term this bodes well for those of use below those top two percent, but at least we get to watch the bottom 1.98% of the top two battle it out with Ms. Hilton's lawyers and accountants for a while.

It'll be fun.

Posted by: wcw | Oct 20, 2005 12:25:50 PM

Oh, an aside: when your nickname is "Captain Toke" and you're nevertheless in the GOP base, you have truly impressive abilities to elide cognitive dissonance. Bravo! Smoke one for me, buddy, and try not to think about how your party treats people who share your chosen hobby.

Posted by: wcw | Oct 20, 2005 12:32:03 PM

"and try not to think about how your party treats people who share your chosen hobby."

I don't vote based on one minor issue. I look at the big picture. If we are not safe at home, what does it matter if I can smoke dope legally or not? Besides, if you are not dealing, you would have to be a moron to get busted for personal use-posession of pot.

If I was in a union, I wouldn't vote Democrat because I was told to by union leadership. I would evaluate it for myself. I would ask myself "What have the Democrats done for labor in the last 10 years?" and "Does it override the Democrats weakness on national security as well as the Dems far left positions on other social issues(gay marriage, racial preferences, abortion on demand, etc.)?"

As if it mattered, what prominant Democrat has proposed legalizing marijuana lately?

Posted by: Captain Toke | Oct 20, 2005 12:48:41 PM

Toke, I think the fact that you and I are talking about Miers and her positions, and are regular readers for political websites, makes you and I a part of the elite. You may not think it, but you (and I) are. Regular Joe Schmo voter could give two craps about the supreme court.

Posted by: Adrock | Oct 20, 2005 1:04:00 PM

"Toke, I think the fact that you and I are talking about Miers and her positions, and are regular readers for political websites, makes you and I a part of the elite."

I consider myself part of the base, not the elite. In a over simplified definition, I consider the elite as getting their opinion out or trying to sway opinion thru a media outlet(print, TV, internet, etc.). And I don't think my comments on blogs put me in that category.

"Mystery Pollster, today, argued that Bush's numbers really can't fall further till his base deserts him. On Miers, that wasn't happening. But Miers is an elite issue, a disappointment in the upper echelons of the Republican punditocracy --"

I agree with Ezra, the base and elite are different, although someone can be both. I am not.

Posted by: Captain Toke | Oct 20, 2005 1:13:52 PM

CT, thanks for being one of the many to confirm that the GOP base aren't bad people, but are just a little misguided and generally estranged from the facts. It gives me hope for the future that someday you and yours might be introduced to reality and find out that, hey, it's not so bad making a passing acquaintance with fact after all.

Here, let me do a little light lifting. CT, here is the FBI's UCR for 2004: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/documents/CIUS2004.pdf

"Hi, UCR!"

"Hi, Captain Toke!"

"UCR, how many marijuana arrests were there in 2004?"

"771,605."

"Wow. How many of those morons were busted for personal use-posession?"

"Eighty-nine percent."

"Dude."

I shall admit, I had a little help with the numbers. See http://mpp.org/releases/nr20051017.html for my source.

You will forgive me for discounting your abilities to perceive the world around you, given how good your analysis of marijuana enforcement has been.

Posted by: wcw | Oct 20, 2005 1:17:51 PM

"You will forgive me for discounting your abilities to perceive the world around you, given how good your analysis of marijuana enforcement has been."

I could not get your link to work but I am sure those stats include a lot of people who are pulled over with a roach in the ash tray(moron), people who got DUIs and also found with pot(moron), or people doing something to get pulled over and while smoking a fatty or just after smoking one(moron).

When I was in my teens, and sometimes moronic, I got caught with weed. I can remember at least 3 times (it may have been more, I was usually stoned) the cops just dumped it out because most cops know weed is harmless. Eventually I learned not to bring suspicion on myself when I have herb on me and it has worked for over a decade, and I still enjoy my "hobby" whereever I go. I don't have any marijuana related offences on my record.

If you are smart, you don't get caught. People who are stupid and impatient get caught. Of course there are exceptions (terrible luck, etc.), but I bet most of those busts could have been avoided with a little common sense.

Posted by: Captain Toke | Oct 20, 2005 1:54:38 PM

There's a reason that point was a link. It's a poll of the Republican base. Read it.

Posted by: Ezra | Oct 20, 2005 2:03:38 PM

Your life story is anecdote, not data.

Posted by: wcw | Oct 20, 2005 2:08:15 PM

"Your life story is anecdote, not data."

That does not change the fact that most of those busts could have been avoided with a little common sense. Therefore, except for extenuating circumstances, most people that get busted for possesion of marijuana get busted because they don't think.

"There's a reason that point was a link. It's a poll of the Republican base. Read it."

I guess I misread---

"But Miers is an elite issue, a disappointment in the upper echelons of the Republican punditocracy -- the base has remained fairly trusting on her."

I could have sworn the above meant that the Republican elite didn't like the pick, and the base trusts Bush.

Posted by: Captain Toke | Oct 20, 2005 2:42:09 PM

Conservative purists and Libertarians don't like Miers. Most Republican voters ("the Base") aren't either of these things. The 'elite' voices tend to Conservative purists, much like you tend to have a more pure ideology in Liberal think thanks than you do amoung actual democratic voters.

Part of this is that 'the base' hasn't payed a whole lot of attention to Miers up until now, but a lot of it is simply that the issues that animate Libertarians and Buckley type conservatives really aren't that important to most Republican voters. The vast majority of Republican and Democrat voters aren't terribly concerned about the philosophical underpinings of their beliefs, they simply want life to work a little better and are convinced that one party or the other has a better chance of making that happen.

Posted by: Dave Justus | Oct 20, 2005 3:29:05 PM

When I didn't use the 30-man-code, I'd always get up to stage 06 (Energy Zone), but those big energy flares would kill me real fast. Sort of like how midterm elections will be for Bush. After he gets crushed under those big spiky things in 07, he might not even make it to stage 08.

Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Oct 20, 2005 3:41:16 PM

Miers is not an "elite" issue - she's a dreadful nominee, cynically produced to avoid difficult questions about ideology that other nominees would have faced; the base, while quite loyal to Bush, is not separate from the "elite" in viewing her as a mixed bag - IF she turned out to be all the things Bush says she is, the base would, in a simplistic sense, be satisfied (overruling Roe, having someone who sides with Thomas/Scalia). That is, however a big "if" in the most generous circumstances, and more than a few, base and elite, have real qualms about her qualifications.

My only point is that Democrats have, oddly, ceded this discussion - at least for the time being - to the right. And I think we should be clear - Miers is dreadful. She is a horrible pick, should never have cleared the bar to begin with, should withdraw, and if she doesn't should not be confirmed by the Senate.

This is not some toss-off issue to make hay with in the larger discussion. Miers IS the larger discussion, and her ability to drive a wedge between Bush and his base - that is, opening the room to a full discussion of Bush's other weaknesses and missteps, should not be casually dismissed. His poll numbers have weakened (I go by Rasmussen, whose methodology seems to produce greater accuracy, as far as I can tell), and will continue to as Miers stays in play. That his diehard supporters won't let go is something that's likely to stay true for a long, long time. They are not who we're trying to reach. And they don't prove that Miers problems are with the "elite."

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