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September 29, 2005

There Goes Recruitment

Over at Fablog, Davids' got an enormously well-written and very well framed piece on gays in the church. Take a look.

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Wha--? Oh, I thought you said Fafblog. Whew.

Posted by: DonBoy | Sep 29, 2005 4:01:02 PM

Merci Ezra!

Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Sep 29, 2005 4:09:17 PM

Hehe. I also read Fafblog.

Posted by: smg | Sep 29, 2005 4:12:15 PM

Ezra, Fisking is not in any way related to writing "an enormously well-written and very well framed piece" unless the piece you're referring to is the original Slate article (whose quality is arguable).

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 29, 2005 8:55:38 PM

I am willing to hear all sorts of criticism about the Church, be it as a whole or a part of it like the RCC. However, anytime someone says something about it being "founded on repression, denial and secrecy" I just tune it out. So no matter what this guy says that might be wonderful and great, he pretty much destroys his credibility at the start. Such a statement, besides being just overblown rhetoric, shows a severe ignorance of history.

Conservatives use this type of rhetoric. Progressives should really avoid it, even when discussing institutions or groups they find offensive. Guess what? Not every Catholic shares Benedict's views. Not every Republican is a DeLay clone. Not every citizen of China is a hardcore Commie, just like not every Mexican citizen likes spicy food. Generalizations just plain don't work, and I'm tired of them coming from our side.

The Catholic Church is in a helluva lot of trouble right now. There are Catholics, both priests and laypeople, who recognize that and are trying to improve it. Really, the same thing can be said of the GOP or whatever group we might not like right now. We can argue whether it is worth it to try and save it, but we need to recognize those who believe it can be more than what it is today, that it can become more like it was nearer to the beginning, when it had nothing to do with "repression, denial and secrecy."

Posted by: Stephen | Sep 29, 2005 10:26:00 PM

"Such a statement, besides being just overblown rhetoric, shows a severe ignorance of history."

Oh really? I'll bet I've fucked more priests than you have.

"The Catholic Church is in a helluva lot of trouble right now."

As opposed to say 20 years ago? How about during WWII when it collaborated with the Third Reich?


" There are Catholics, both priests and laypeople, who recognize that and are trying to improve it."

Theycan put as much lipstick on the pig as they want -- it's still not going to look like Catherine Deneuve.

Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Sep 30, 2005 3:13:49 PM

That Pig has been there for 2,000 years. David's now going to show everyone what a mistake it was in the first place.

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 30, 2005 3:20:20 PM

They don't need my help to show what a mistake its been. The Church is doing quite well on that score all by itself.

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