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September 28, 2005

DeLay

So uh, there's this guy, DeLay, and he was like, indicted or something?

Who's he again?

Late as I am to the party, this looks to be a pretty fun bash.  I'm not necessarily pleased with the timing -- we're still a year out from 2006 -- but beggars can't be choosers, and powerless journalists looking at celebrity gossip substantive policy papers in their cubicles sure as hell don't get input, so I'm just going to grab a drink and relax.  For those not up on the latest twists this is taking, California Congressman David Dreier is being made temporary majority leader. 

On that note, some folks seems all bashful and genteel and delicate about mentioning this, but strong word on the street, and particularly in California political circles, is that Dreier is gay.  And while Republicans think we're just mentioning this to embarrass them, considering how often the House seems to deal with the limitation of rights for homosexuals, saying that Dreier may have prior loyalties is no different than casually pointing out that Alger Hiss was a communist.  Powerful figures in the Republican party think the gay menace is going to rip through our communities and destroy our social order, knowing Dreier might be a Manchurian agent for the homosexual agenda is a critical bit of info for the country.  Assuming they're cool with that, I then want to congratulate the modern Republican party for taking a further step into the 21st century and making their party a more open, tolerant, inclusive tent.  Bravo!

Lastly, why no Roy Blunt?  He was next in line for the leadership.  Sam and Josh seem to think that his independent power base and stature made him seem too permanent a candidate and that DeLay wants his position back when/if this blows over.  Sounds right to me.

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Comments

Oh gee, what could be worse than a gay Republican!

You are scraping the bottom here Ezra.

Posted by: Dave Justus | Sep 28, 2005 2:50:58 PM

I wouldn't talk about "bottoms" when it comes to gay Republicans, Dave Justus.

here's some prime skinny on Drier with a hilarious interview by Michelangelo Signorile.

Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Sep 28, 2005 2:59:34 PM

More about Drier, with a number you can call to thank Dennis Hastert for appointing a gay man to such a high position of power.

Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Sep 28, 2005 3:02:10 PM

No, see, you get this all wrong! I think it's great that Dreier is gay, and I see no reason not to mention it.

Posted by: Ezra | Sep 28, 2005 3:03:30 PM

Given Cheney's attitude and deference regarding FOMA, not to mention people like Santorum's gay press secretary, I think it's pretty clear the GOP-leadership views gay people not as individually bad and to be avoided or converted, but as a group that it's easy to score electoral victores using the bigotry against them.

I don't think a open-secretly-gay majority leader will really change that.

Posted by: Tony Vila | Sep 28, 2005 3:09:27 PM

Drier doesn't think it's great that he's gay, Ezra. Read the links I posted.

Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Sep 28, 2005 3:18:54 PM

It will be interesting if Ronnie Earle, The Democrat DA of Travis County, can make anything stick this time or if he will flush what's left of his credibility down the toilet. Ronnie Earle's 1994 indictment against Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison was quickly dismissed and his charges in the 1980s against former Attorney General Jim Mattox-another political foe of Earle-fell apart at trial.

As for Drier, who cares? As I have stated many times on this board, it is a free country and he can be as queer as he pleases, just like many of Ezra's posters. All I care about is how he votes. It must be amazing to the left that Clarence Thomas, Condaleeza Rice and Colin Powell don't attend protest marches raging against the machine. It must equally be perplexing to have a homosexual who thinks that family values are important.

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 28, 2005 4:08:05 PM

I think it's great that Dreier is gay, and I see no reason not to mention it.

It seems to be important enough for Ezra to mention it, and I agree. It does give one license to utilize this this same line of reasoning when discussing politics with the queers on this board.

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 28, 2005 4:11:39 PM

Do you have any questions for me Fred?

-- David Ehrenstein, "Admitted Homosexual" since 1947.

Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Sep 28, 2005 4:25:54 PM

I don't care if Drier is gay or not. I think that people should have a right to not talk about their sexuality if they want to. Drier has not claimed to be gay, he obviously would prefer not to be considered primarly a gay person and I think we could respect his wishes on that.

I think people should be free to choose the closet if that is what they prefer. His views on gay issues are right or wrong regardless of his orientation and they can be debated on the merits, not with innuendo.

Posted by: Dave Justus | Sep 28, 2005 4:42:30 PM

I'm not using any innuendo! Some folks are doing the whispering campaign -- not me. I'm just saying that most folks think, for good reason, that he's gay. In the modern Republican party and considering the sort of issues congress decides, I see nothing illegitimate there. When the right wants to come to the table with some sort of privacy pact, let them propose and maybe it'll get signed. Till then, in a world where Max Cleland in unpatriotic and special prosecutors unearth Clinton's affairs, I've little patience for cries of propriety.

Posted by: Ezra | Sep 28, 2005 4:57:54 PM

Fred - I note that you don't mention that "rival" Jim Mattox was a Democrat. Or that statistically, Earle has gone after 4 times as many Democrats as Republicans. That would go against the Republican talking point of the day that anyone who notes illegal activities done by the leaders is obviously nothing more than a partisan hack.

I don't think that Earle is anymore politically motivated than any other elected official should be. I just think there are a lot of corrupt politicians in Texas. They used to be Democrats, and now they're Republicans.

Posted by: Tony Vila | Sep 28, 2005 5:00:19 PM

We'll see how big an idiot Earle really is. So far, he has shown himself to be non-performing.

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 28, 2005 5:18:57 PM

That was kinda like a response to Tony, only not.

Posted by: Ezra | Sep 28, 2005 5:25:55 PM

My point was that Ronnie Earle's track record is not good when indicting Republicans.

Either DeLay is guilty or he is not. If he is, then let him hang. If he is not, then he will have been just another victim of Ronnie Earl's partisan power machine that the taxpayers of Texas are required to pay for.

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 28, 2005 5:34:10 PM

"No, see, you get this all wrong! I think it's great that Dreier is gay, and I see no reason not to mention it." --Ezra Klein

Are there any queers in the audience tonight? Get 'em up against the wall! --Pink Floyd

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 28, 2005 5:36:58 PM

Dreier's out, Blunt's in. That tells me DeLay is toast--Dreier would have been a caretaker, but Blunt is unlikely to give the job back.

Posted by: Tom Hilton | Sep 28, 2005 5:44:43 PM

"I don't care if Drier is gay or not. I think that people should have a right to not talk about their sexuality if they want to."

Second statement a comeplete contradiction of first. Typical breeder blather.

"I'm just saying that most folks think, for good reason, that he's gay."

His gayness is quite well documented at both of the links I supplied.

Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Sep 28, 2005 5:44:45 PM

Fred Jones,

To support your charge that Earle is "non-performing" you cite two cases in which he did not prevail. The latest one, against a well-connected Republican, is over ten years old. I'm afraid you'll have to do better than that to make YOUR case.

Posted by: zeke | Sep 28, 2005 5:45:51 PM

David, what do you think of the new Geena Davis show, or Hilllary possibly running for President? Does it matter that they're women regarding their ability to fulfill the job? Don't you think it would be a boon that a woman finally holds the highest office in the land? Are your opinions (or the stereotypical liberal's at least) technically contradictory there?

In our culture "I don't care that" is an idiom for "it doesn't negatively affect my view", particularly when responding to people who say you are being critical. You can still have positive feelings about it. Yeah it's not technically correct, but it is a well established idiom of the American tongue.

Posted by: Tony Vila | Sep 29, 2005 2:01:50 AM

When the right woman comes along, her sex will be a non-issue. Wishing for a candidate because of her sex is what I'm afraid the left is up to. It seems more important to fulfill this social goal than finding the right candidate.

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 29, 2005 8:58:00 AM

"David, what do you think of the new Geena Davis show, or Hilllary possibly running for President?"

The new Geena Davis show is written by a right-wing simp named Rod Luire, who has been failing upwards in Hollywood for some time. Go check his credits on the IMDB.

I do not like Hillary Clinton at all, but not because I believe, as you do, that she's a satanic lesbian who murdered Vincent Foster.

"Does it matter that they're women regarding their ability to fulfill the job? Don't you think it would be a boon that a woman finally holds the highest office in the land? Are your opinions (or the stereotypical liberal's at least) technically contradictory there?"

What's contradictory is Condi Rice. She is a boon neither to women (particularly other lesbians) nor to African-Americans.

"In our culture "I don't care that" is an idiom for "it doesn't negatively affect my view", particularly when responding to people who say you are being critical."

No Tony. When it comes to gays and lesbians "I don't care" is an idiom for "Shut the fuck up!" and always has been.

I don't wish for a candidate because of their race, gender or sexual orientation, Fred. Doing so risks the likes of Condi Rice. Because you "look the part" doesn't mean you "walk the walk" or "talk the talk."

Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Sep 29, 2005 10:01:45 AM

Ehrenstein,

I think you are assuming a lot when you imply that my 'I don't care' means 'shut the fuck up'. I will grant you that some people might mean that, but to imply that all do seems to be paranioa. You don't know anything about me or my life, and to assume that because we disagree politically I am a bigot is pretty sterotypical.

I do not believe whether or not Drier is gay has much to say about how well he does his job as a congressman. I think that he has a right to not make his sexuality public if he chooses. I certainly think that he has a right to make if public, if that is what he choose. I would not hesitate to vote for someone who was admittedly gay. It wouldn't make that much difference to me.

However you, and Ezra, seem to imply that he must make this aspect of his life public, and that you have some sort of moral obligation to make it public if he chooses not to. I don't agree with that view. I think it is based upon a desire to make others conform to what you think they should be. It is a mirror of the bigotry against gays by some on the right that I dispise and I don't think it does you any credit.

Gay people don't fit in a simple to define box any more than black people or women do. There is a lot of room for variation and different choices.

Posted by: Dave Justus | Sep 29, 2005 12:48:18 PM

"I do not believe whether or not Drier is gay has much to say about how well he does his job as a congressman. I think that he has a right to not make his sexuality public if he chooses."

The reason people started outing Dreier (some while ago), Dave, is that he has voted against gay rights measures. I think that makes his sexuality an issue. I also think that his being stopped from replacing Delay wholly or in part because he is gay is a *disgrace*, and I agree with almost everything you say in your post.

Posted by: jayann | Sep 29, 2005 1:39:20 PM

Close but no cigar, jayann.

"You don't know anything about me or my life, and to assume that because we disagree politically I am a bigot is pretty sterotypical."

The truth hurts. Live with it.

"However you, and Ezra, seem to imply that he must make this aspect of his life public, and that you have some sort of moral obligation to make it public if he chooses not to. I don't agree with that view. I think it is based upon a desire to make others conform to what you think they should be. It is a mirror of the bigotry against gays by some on the right that I dispise and I don't think it does you any credit."

Is your heterosexuality some deep dark secret? Do you object to be referred to as heterosexual? Do you regard youself a victim of a desire "to make others conform" thatyou be considered heterosexual?

Get back to me on that like a good fellow, won't you?

Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Sep 29, 2005 2:20:26 PM

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