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September 22, 2005

A Vast, America-Transcending Conspiracy?

I want Jeff Session to elaborate on this:

“I think it is shocking that Democrats would treat [Soros] as a mainstream force of Democratic politics,” said Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.). “He has an agenda that transcends American interests.”

Is Sessions picking back up on Hastert's implication that Soros is a drug dealer? Is he calling the world's most generous and committed financier of democracy projects in post-Soviet states a Communist? Is he calling him a Nazi, a one-worlder, a fascist, a founding member of the Bilderberg Group, an Annunaki lizard from the fourth-dimension? What does "transcends American interests" even mean?

I'm giving Sessions' office a call to find out. When they give me an answer, I'll let you know.

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Maybe Jeff Sessions and his wingnut buddies have 'a list' of commies in the Dem party they can bring to Senator McCarthy - whoops, Senator Frist - to set up a special committee on 'Un-American Activities'.

This year is '05', maybe they think it is '50', and find that the 1950's a congenial era for the US to return to.

Posted by: JimPortlandOR | Sep 22, 2005 5:06:12 PM

Hey, I just noticed something! The acronym for Transcends American Interests" is J-E-W! Not that Sessions is an anti-Semite or anything.

Posted by: JR | Sep 22, 2005 5:28:08 PM

Hey,
He's from Alabama. All he's doing is representing his constituents.

Posted by: ptm | Sep 22, 2005 5:37:08 PM

Juden! Ju-u-u-u-u-u-u-den! I read all about them in this book, which I'm sure is verifiably accurate.

Sheesh. If people like this chucklehead Sessions and Condi Rice are the best my home state can turn out, I'm gonna have to pretend I came from someplace else.

Posted by: Greg Greene | Sep 22, 2005 5:39:59 PM

Soros is a filthy rich American who actively campaigns against the party making his fellow filthy rich Americans even more filthy rich. He doesn't believe in "fuck you, I've got mine." Obviously, there must be something wrong him, he's not acting like a True American(tm) would.

Posted by: Dustbin Of History | Sep 22, 2005 6:05:41 PM

How about Australian born Rupert Murdoch his Fox News Channel and global chain of newspapers? Don't his causes transcend American interests? Or how about self-proclaimed Korean messiah, Sun Myung Moon, the owner of the GOP's favorite Washington paper, the Washington Times? I guess those things don't count...

Posted by: exgop | Sep 22, 2005 6:35:25 PM

Hey, I have an agenda that transcends American interests too! Item #1 : do not melt the polar icecaps. Item #2 : do not crash the Gulf Stream current and send us into Snowball Earth.

Do I get to join the vast shadowy consipiracy now?

Posted by: tatere | Sep 22, 2005 7:07:21 PM

Soros is obviously un-American, as a simple glance at an encyclopedia makes clear (emphasis added for further clarity): "Soros has been active as a philanthropist since 1979, when he began providing funds to help black students attend the University of Cape Town in apartheid South Africa. Soros' philanthropic funding in Eastern Europe mostly occurs through the Open Society Institute and national Soros Foundations, which sometimes go under other names, e.g. the Stefan Batory Foundation in Poland. He also pledged an endowment of $250 million to the Central European University (CEU)." The agenda of a real American with real American values would be focused on other real Americans, especially on who they are having sex with.

Posted by: Blar | Sep 22, 2005 8:28:55 PM

Soros sponsored groups besides moveon.org:

-Critical Resistance—
http://www.criticalresistance.org/
mission.html
Founded in 1998 and based in Oakland,
CA, CR believes a “Prison Industrial Complex”
is fostering the delusion that “caging
and controlling people makes us safe.”

-Legal Action Center—
http://www.lac.org/
LAC is a public interest law firm that sues
to force health care insurers to provide
care to people with histories of addiction
to alcohol and drugs.

-Community Rights Counsel—
http://www.communityrights.org/
The Community Rights Counsel provides
legal help to state and local governments
that would restrict individual property
rights in the name of “community interest.”
It justifies its efforts to undermine the
“Takings Clause” in the 5th Amendment
(“nor shall private property be taken for
public use, without just compensation”)
by claiming that the Clause has no bearing
on most government land use regulation;
it assists states and municipalities that are
sued when they try to take private property.

What a guy!

Posted by: Captain Toke | Sep 22, 2005 8:32:52 PM

Soros seems to regard the rest of the world as something other than America's Coke can - to be squeezed dry and discarded at will.

Weird. Perhaps he's insane.

Posted by: Phoenician in a time of Romans | Sep 22, 2005 8:51:54 PM

And yet, with all of Soros money and influence behind the left wing Democrats, they still couldn't deliver.
You can dress up a pig, but all you have is a pig in a dress.

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 22, 2005 8:54:08 PM

You can dress up a pig, but all you have is a pig in a dress.

As your comment demonstrates, the same is true of giving the pig a keyboard and an internet connection.

Posted by: TJ | Sep 22, 2005 9:26:55 PM

And yet, with all of Soros money and influence behind the left wing Democrats, they still couldn't deliver.

Yes, indeedy - the money behond the right wing Republicans was too great.

All hail the glorious People's Capitalist Democracy on the United States! All the corruption of China, and ten times as entertaining.

Posted by: Phoenician in a time of Romans | Sep 22, 2005 10:52:39 PM

Why won't people vote for your candidates?

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 22, 2005 11:16:40 PM

If you're actually interested, the main issue sane people have with Soros is his repeatedly-stated interest in promoting an effective world government.

This necessarily requires impinging on American sovereignty, and would indeed "transcend American interests."

The other thing that sane people dislike about him is his belief in gun control.

Certainly you can attribute some of the more bizarre theories to the typical anti-semitism that any wealthy Jew will run into if he tries to push an agenda. But one need not be an anti-semite to oppose George Soros. Many Jews do, including myself. (For me, it's the gun thing.)

Posted by: Mastiff | Sep 22, 2005 11:54:13 PM

Guess what Jeff, we all have agendas that transcend American interests. That's because we're individual human beings, not America.

Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Sep 22, 2005 11:57:39 PM

Fred Jones-
Total votes for Democratic candidates for US Senate, 2004: 94,965,901
Total votes for Republican candidates: 94,369,075

But our federal system, where states so small that the winning candidates get one-tenth the votes that the Brooklyn Borough President gets, insures a Republican majority.

Posted by: JR | Sep 23, 2005 12:21:18 AM

Why won't people vote for your candidates?

Why did more people vote for Al Gore than George Bush?

Posted by: Dustbin Of History | Sep 23, 2005 5:08:51 AM

If you're actually interested, the main issue sane people have with Soros is his repeatedly-stated interest in promoting an effective world government.

Good God, that's reason enough for anyone to oppose this dangerous crackpot. Why would anyone wish to associate with him, except without his money the left would be screwed. Poor Democrats flirt with communism and now with this nut and then wonder why they are painted with the "collectivist" brush.

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 23, 2005 8:35:50 AM

But out federal system......... WORKS! We are a nation of STATES, people. STATES vote for president, not individuals. Been that way for over 200 years so crying foul at this point is ignorant.

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 23, 2005 8:38:11 AM

The other thing that sane people dislike about him is his belief in gun control.

*Guaranteed* that he has armed body guards or a gun himself. Just like the rest of the anti-gun crowd, it's guns for me, but not for thee...
Diane Feinstein, who regularly votes against guns actually has a concealed carry permit. In CA, you must be well connected or a famous Hollywood star to get one of these coveted licenses. They are not for the "little people". Nope, crime never happens to the poor. If you are poor and a nobody, you don't deserve a gun to protect yourself. However, if you are Diane Feinstein or George Soros....well that's a different story.

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 23, 2005 9:00:54 AM

Ah yes, the 'I loves ma gun!" crowd chimes in. Tell me, did mom and uncle dad buy you your first shooter?

The problem: Too many crackpots and criminals with guns.
The solution: More guns!

Brilliant.

Guns for everyone. Great idea. It really works well in Mogadishu, why I hear you can pick up an AK-47 on nearly every streetcorner. No gun laws at all, how much safer that that could you ever want to be?

Tragic really, those damned godless hippies trying to prevent everyone from owning guns. How the hell are you supposed to kill people from a safe distance without guns? Do those patchouli stinking bastards expect you to insert bullets by hand?

You can't take that stupid 2000 year dead hippie seriously with all that damned liberal "Turn the other cheek" and "Blessed are the meek" crap. What about all those folks out there that just need killin'?

Posted by: Naked Ape | Sep 23, 2005 10:52:13 AM

Why did more people vote for Al Gore than George Bush?

You ever hear of electoral votes? I know, it is a bullshit system when your side loses, but the Dems knew the rules before the election and still lost.

Maybe the Democrats couldn't find enough homeless people, convicts and dead people to vote for their guy.

And before you mention Florida
:

"More than three months after Democrat Al Gore conceded the hotly contested 2000 election, an independent hand recount of Florida's ballots released today says he would have lost anyway, even if officials would have allowed the hand count he requested."

Posted by: Captain Toke | Sep 23, 2005 10:55:58 AM

Hey Ape,
I bet you think you are smart as a monkey, but you are as dumb as a chimp.

Do you really believe if guns were outlawed that the criminals would turn in their guns? There are over 300 million guns in this country.

Why don't you write a letter to Feinstein and Rosie O'Donnel. Tell them that their inbred, hillbilly bodyguards should give up their guns.

Oh, that's right, they are rich, famous and liberal. Do as they say, not as they do.

Posted by: Captain Toke | Sep 23, 2005 11:05:58 AM

Thank you, Mastiff. Soros wants world government, which would restrict American sovereignty. That sounds like it's what Session was talking about. This would transcend American power, but it's not necessarily true that it would transcend American interests. The idea is that you make some concessions, the other guys make some concessions, and hopefully everyone comes out ahead. It's called cooperation. It worked when the states of America united, and looking to do something similar with all the countries of the world is not an obviously unreasonable idea.

I don't know why there's all this discussion of guns, the amount of support for each party (why is it relevant whether it's 48/52, 50/50, or 51/49?), or the Florida recount (though I should point out that Captain Toke's quote is highly misleading).

Posted by: Blar | Sep 23, 2005 11:29:28 AM

If he is one of those lizards, then according to that link, Soros shares company with someone Sessions might respect pretty well, one George H. W. Bush.

Posted by: Adrock | Sep 23, 2005 12:28:46 PM

Fred and Captain are some of the most ignorant topic-changers to grace a comment board.

You say Soros is evil and that even with his money Democrats couldn't win because "people don't vote for your candidates". When someone points out that clearly people DO vote for Democrats, and often in numbers exceeding the Republicans, you change the subject like the commenters were complaining about losing. They were replying to the idea that no one votes for Democrats, which is so demonstrably false I'm surprised they even bothered to reply.

Really, why are you here? Do you disagree or agree with the Original Post, do you think Soros is too crazy to be a part of the American dialogue?

In fact, Soros himself believes he's out of the mainstream of Democratic politics - to the right! He has said he actually has Republican views of policies, such as taxes and economic growth. It is just that he realizes the current ruling crowd and their allies are so far out on right-field, especially in a jingoistic foreign policy that is harmful to American long term economic interests, that they need to be taught a lesson and move back to the center.

Posted by: Tony Vila | Sep 23, 2005 12:30:43 PM

Captain Toke,

When did you switch to crack?

How is the solution to the problem of over 300 million guns more guns?

Posted by: Naked Ape | Sep 23, 2005 12:40:05 PM

The whiney left just loves Soros' money and that's *AFTER* they complain about the undue influence of money in politics!

*AND* not one of the gun grabbers here have addresses the blatant hypocricy of Feinstein or Rosie, Sean Penn, and the rest of the famous and well connected that rail against guns at every opportunity while either owning guns themselves or hiring people who do. How does that excuse go again?

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 23, 2005 12:44:27 PM

Just because you disagree with someone on one issue, doesn't mean you should distance yourself from that person completely. I don't believe in a world government (but I do the UN) and I'm not against gun ownership (just believe that strict gun laws are purposeful.) But I believe that Soros is an asset to my party and to the American people in general.

Matter of fact, it was a conservative himself that said in an earlier thread that focusing on 1 issue (abortion in that case) is not healthy and he was right.

Posted by: Adrock | Sep 23, 2005 12:58:20 PM

How does that excuse go again?

Tonque in cheek, maybe they are worried about people with guns attacking them. What's that saying again, don't bring a knife to a gun fight?

More seriously, I might rail against the use of gasoline vehicles and push for ones that run on renewable energy. So am I a hypocrite for owning one? Of course not. I'm atempting to voice my concern that we need to change society trends for the better. The question isn't whether I take the first step, its whether I'm right.

Posted by: Adrock | Sep 23, 2005 1:04:28 PM

Ah my old nemesis, the 'dual loyalty' charge. You know, the one that gets slapped on any Jew imprudent enough to stick their Hebraic nose in where it doesn't belong!

Posted by: fiat lux | Sep 23, 2005 1:30:27 PM

How is the solution to the problem of over 300 million guns more guns?

Who said anything about more guns? I am saying there are over 300 million guns in his country. But I am sure you think we should be able to sue gun manufacturers for gun crimes. Who's next? Knife manufacterers? How about the window makers, for all them people pushed out of windows?

A) It is in the constitution that citizens have a right to firearms. You know why? It is kind of like the citizens checks and balances. And to shoot dangerous and delicious animals.

B) In your perfect, liberal world, how would you manage to get all the guns out of American households? How do you get criminals to hand over their guns? Do you think it would work out as well as the liberal war on poverty, or "Great Society"?

If criminals are going to have guns, I think law abiding citizens should as well.

Of course the monkey don't think so.

As for JR,

Total votes for Democratic candidates for US Senate, 2004: 94,965,901
Total votes for Republican candidates: 94,369,075

He thinks the rules should be changed so his team would win. He thinks in this NFL season that it should not be the team that wins the most games that gets home field advantage thru the playoffs and wins the Super Bowl. He thinks we should add up the total points a team scores throughout the season and whoever has the most points at the end of the year, regardless of their win/loss record, should win the championship.

What an idiot.

Posted by: Captain Toke | Sep 23, 2005 2:16:51 PM

I love Fred in this thread.

"Why don't more people vote for your candidates""

"Oh, they do?"

"Yeah, well it doesn't matter! We're a nation of STATES!!!!!!"

Posted by: Ezra | Sep 23, 2005 3:00:03 PM

I'm a Democrat, pro-gun, and anti-Fred. Where does that put me? Good company, I suppose.

Posted by: DevP | Sep 23, 2005 3:23:06 PM

I would love it if the NFL was set up like the electoral college.

Except, not every game would be equal. Some games would be worth more than others. Some are worth up to 10 times as many victory-points for the NFL Championship as other games are.

Oh, and the games don’t have the same number of players. Generally the one with the most players is the one with the most value. But the value isn’t directly proportional.

And some of these games don’t even have the same number of players on each side. There are a lot of games where there’s more players from the home team than the visiting team, or vice-versa. But that just means if the minority team wins, it’s a valuable upset.

And if a game ends in a tie, or is close by a few points, you don’t go into overtime. You just ask the referees to recount the points, or ask them to just decide who the winner was anyway.

That would be awesome!

Posted by: Tony Vila | Sep 23, 2005 3:25:31 PM

I love Fred in this thread.

"Why don't more people vote for your candidates""

"Oh, they do?"

"Yeah, well it doesn't matter! We're a nation of STATES!!!!!!"

I think Ezra is hilarious!!

Apparently, not enough voted for your candidates. If they did, you would control some institution....somewhere....in some branch (maybe?).

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 23, 2005 3:43:30 PM

In your perfect, liberal world, how would you manage to get all the guns out of American households? How do you get criminals to hand over their guns?

Captain,
this is the same crowd that gave us these gems:

"What if they gave a war and nobody came?"

"War is bad for shildren and other living things."

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 23, 2005 3:57:29 PM

Yeah Tony, there are rules in the NFL that are set before the season starts, and all the teams know the rules (or should). There are rules in elections set before the election happens and all sides know the rules. The left just gets mad after they lose and want to change the rules. It is bad enough the left has Soros' money and cheats and still loses.

Why don't you guys organize a move of all those liberals in CA an NY to some red states, maybe you'd win an election.

But I bet the liberals wouldn't want to live with all us ignorant, intolerant, racist riff-raff. Oh well, I guess the left is doomed to Republican rule.

Posted by: Captain Toke | Sep 23, 2005 5:24:16 PM

Apparently, not enough voted for your candidates.

And around and around and around we go. Robert Zimmerman Fred Jones, Master of Circular Logic.

Posted by: Dustbin Of History | Sep 23, 2005 9:37:49 PM

Yeah, Fred's fuzzy circular logic manages to put Republicans in charge when Americans really want the Democrats in power.

I bet Diebold made a circular logic voting machine for the 2004 election.

Or maybe it is how a representative republic works.

The left is like children throwing a tantrum.

Posted by: Captain Toke | Sep 23, 2005 9:56:53 PM

The left has been reduced to arguing against our system of electing representatives cuz they keep losing elections.

Posted by: Captain Toke | Sep 23, 2005 10:06:56 PM

Been that way for over 200 years so crying foul at this point is ignorant.

Yeah, kinda like Andrew Jackson's complaints when John Quincy Adams won the presidency. And Hayes vs. Tilden...ignorant! Because the system never demonstrated a single flaw ever before, as we'd all know if we forgot history. Granted, the same system had a way to deal with glitches, too: have the states determine their electors, and any controversies in slates of electors are handled by Congress. Or, all the originalists on the Supreme Court could ignore this in order to decide the outcome instead. Lucky for them that only liberal judges can be activist, by definition.

The means of choosing presidents, vice presidents, and senators has also changed during that 200 years, so I guess ignorantly crying foul has been a recurring theme in this country.

Regardless, I'm glad that the reason Senator Sessions felt compelled to smear Mr. Soros and his sinister international agenda is because of the Constitution's current means of electing presidents and senators. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

Posted by: mds | Sep 24, 2005 1:23:07 AM

I think it's basically that Jeff Sessions is very very dumb, and should really be chewing straw on a hay-bale back in 'bama.

The left has been reduced to arguing against our system of electing representatives cuz they keep losing elections.

As much as you may desperately want it, Tokey, Katherine Harris isn't going to fuck you.

Posted by: ahem | Sep 24, 2005 2:40:38 AM

Yeah, Fred's fuzzy circular logic manages to put Republicans in charge when Americans really want the Democrats in power.

Congratulations at failing Reading Comprehension 101.

The left is like children throwing a tantrum.

The right is like children refusing to admit they're not stealing cookies when they get caught with both hands in the jar.

Posted by: Dustbin Of History | Sep 24, 2005 6:47:34 AM

Meanwhile, I fail at Anaologies 101. Let's try that again:

The right is like children refusing to admit they're stealing cookies when they get caught with both hands in the jar.

Posted by: Dustbin Of History | Sep 24, 2005 6:49:11 AM

As much as you may desperately want it, Tokey, Katherine Harris isn't going to fuck you.

Now, with Ken Blackwell, there might be a chance.

Posted by: mds | Sep 24, 2005 9:04:47 AM

Let's be clear.

Mr. Soros is not an elected official. Mr. Soros is not any kind of official appointed by an elected official. Mr. Soros has no formal role whatsoever. Mr. Soros is simply a foreign born rich guy who wishes to use his wealth to influence and change the world to what Mr. Soros thinks is appropriate. With all of the caterwalling by the left about the undue influence of money in politics, it all seems to get quiet when the name Soros comes up.

Posted by: Fred Jones | Sep 24, 2005 9:22:03 AM

Let's be clearer.

Jeff Sessions is an elected official. Mr. Soros has no formal role whatsoever, and that includes within the Democratic Party. Jeff Sessions, the elected official, used extremely familar rhetoric to smear Mr. Soros, who has no formal role whatsoever. Therefore, Mr. Soros is to blame, because he's not Rupert Murdoch or Richard Mellon Scaife. (Also to blame are the Twelfth, Fourteenth, Seventeenth, Twentieth, and Twenty-third Amendments to the Constitution, which ignorantly changed our "over 200-year-old" system of elections. But that's straying from the topic again.)

And yeah, the caterwauling of the left about the undue influence of unregulated money in politics falls silent when Mr. Soros openly raises money in accordance with the current laws...the ones that Mitch McConnell, who is an elected official, has crusaded against from Day One. But I promise you: when George Soros buys legislation from Congress, gets no-bid contracts because of his connections to the White House, and gets to play a preeminent role in secret Vice Presidential task forces that set policy for, er, international financiering, then I'll complain about him, too. Until there's any indication of that going on, just hang on to the "sinister international agenda of the money power" rhetoric you so ardently defend, okay?

Posted by: mds | Sep 24, 2005 2:20:42 PM

I honestly can't tell who seems more deranged in this thread, Soros's backers or his detractors.

Is it so difficult to lay out simple facts without slipping into hystrionics and ad hominem attacks?

BTW, I do not own a firearm, nor does any member of my immediate family. That will change as soon as my brother and I get steady jobs. One may arrive at an appreciation for weapons without hillbilly-style immersion from birth, from the application of simple logic.

Plus, it's fun.

Posted by: Mastiff | Sep 24, 2005 10:24:15 PM

Matiff,
The myth that everyone who thinks guns are valuable were steeped in gun culture is simply that...a myth. It doesn't take a great deal of logic to understand that guns are effective, portable self defense devices...that is why the police carry them.
I have a sister in the very liberal city of Austin Texas who is pretty much a froth-at-the-mouth liberal and she is purchasing a handgun.

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