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August 09, 2005

Worse Than Good

I think Cindy Sheehan is proof that the White House's much-vaunted political operation isn't an ounce as savvy as we've been led to believe. If these guys were smart, they wouldn't let the grieving mother of an Iraq veteran camp out in a tent at the Crawford gates while fielding a thousand media interviews; it's a public relations disaster. They'd have gotten her cold drinks, a hotel room, and promised a meeting two days hence. Then they'd have had some freed Iraqis whose children Saddam had tortured and murdered as punishment for chewing bubble gum fly out. The Iraqi parents would be immediately shuttled to CIndy where, with quivering voices and many tears, they'd try to tell her that her son died so others could live, that her son died so others could live free.

But no, this stubborn group is just letting her roast in the Texas son, furious that the woman would dare invade Bush's vacation sanctum and try to force him into feeling personal pain over the loss of her son. Whether they judge her right or wrong, common sense would dictate they get her inside and away from cameras. But common sense is routinely trounced by Bush's truculence, and, in this case, political savvy got knocked out right along with it.

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Posted by: Seen and Heard | Aug 9, 2005 11:46:31 AM

I think they'd be afraid that any Iraqis they could dig up would give Bush a piece of their minds too. A double PR nightmare if the Iraqis were telling Bush to get the hell out of their country while a dead soldier's mother was asking the same thing.

Posted by: NonyNony | Aug 9, 2005 12:54:18 PM

I can't think of the term for words that sound the same with different meanings and spellings, but sometimes a good one occurs and makes for fun. Plus, I do this all the time (there, their, they're), either as a typo or by listening to my mind talking.

Here is a good one from Ezra, starting the mind down a track that surely leads to good snark:

just letting her roast in the Texas son

From the context we can guess which Texas son is involved. I really knew he was a SOB, but I didn't know he was a combo cannible and roaster. He digests and cooks in parallel.

And yeah, pigheadedness is a special dish in the BushCo WH. One wonders which future example will lead to an unmitigated disaster that they can't cover up or destroy with untruth.

Posted by: JimPortlandOR | Aug 9, 2005 1:01:21 PM

whoops! cannibal, not cannible. Another example!

Posted by: JimPortlandOR | Aug 9, 2005 1:02:53 PM

Think outside the partisan box & consider why it would be a bad precedent to meet personally with the parent (be they anti or pro Bush).

Posted by: RW | Aug 9, 2005 1:27:30 PM

Jim,

You're thinking of "homophone."

No, seriously.

Posted by: Matt | Aug 9, 2005 1:47:46 PM

A bad precedent to meet with the family? Sorry, RW, but deining to let the rabble clutch at your robes went out a few hundred years ago.

In a democracy, the president is at the behest of the people. If we say jump, he says how high. Clinton would have had the woman in for a cold drink and a long talk over lunch (assuming Clinton would do something as retarded as to actually go on vacation durring a war). Any other president in history would have avoided the situation that causes mothers of dead soldiers to camp out in protest on their doorstep. But not Georgie boy.

We see a grieving mother making a statement, Bush sees someone who voted for Kerry and is therefore, not one of the chosen people and can roast in the sun, if not rot in jail.

if anything ever demonstarted his lack of humility (or common decency) this is it.

Posted by: Keith | Aug 9, 2005 3:11:56 PM

"(assuming Clinton would do something as retarded as to actually go on vacation durring a war)
Yeah, he was too intelligent to do things like discuss military options for bombing (Iraq!) with an elected representative over the phone while getting oral sex from an intern. I think the mantra from his supporters amounts to admiration for that sort of multi-tasking, but I digress (with facts instead of supposition).

As always, it all comes back to "I hate Republicans and everything they stand for". [groan] I can click on kos and get that.

But not Georgie boy.
Ah, I see I'm dealing with an adult. Nice.

Posted by: RW | Aug 9, 2005 4:16:27 PM

What they oughta do, is find an Iraqi mother who lost her child to the senseless violence, to hang out with Cindy in the 'hot texas son.' There's no reason the left can't use people for props, like that silly woman at the state of the union address with the purple finger.

Posted by: cookie | Aug 9, 2005 4:18:00 PM

Well said, even with the son, and the cannible. Rove must be feeling the heat if they can't play this one any better. The image of a woman out in the sun while Bush continues on vacation in comfort in August, "Osama's Month," will jar a lot of people who don't agree with all of Cindy Sheehan's conclusions.

Bush continues to give the finger, purple or otherwise, to people who don't see things just the way he does. Oy.

Posted by: The Heretik | Aug 9, 2005 6:18:22 PM

"THE REPORTER of Vacaville, CA published an account of Cindy Sheehan's visit with the president at Fort Lewis near Seattle on June 24, 2004:

"'I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,' Cindy said after their meeting. 'I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith.'

"The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.

"The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.

"For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.

For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.

"'That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy said."


I appreciate her sacrifice for our country, but she has no credibility anymore. She is being used by Michael Moore and the hard left, such as the NYT.

I wonder if they will help her out when they are done using her?

Posted by: Captain Toke | Aug 9, 2005 10:06:25 PM

C'mon. Homonym (sound the same) and synonym (mean the same).

Posted by: opit | Aug 10, 2005 1:23:32 AM

Toke -
Ah, the Michelle Maglalang version of "reality", how nice to see it here. I realize checking for the whole story (which your cut-and-paste isn't) might strain wingnuts' delicate sense of hatred for non-wingnuts, so I won't ask you to try to get your stories straight.

You also forgot to remind us that Michael Moore is FAT!
FAT FAT FAT! Although how you connected him to this story, except perhaps ex post facto, is beyond me.

But thanks for playing, you can go back to Li'l Green Goofballs now.

RW -
Thanks so much for reminding us that lying about a blowjob is about 1000 times worse than lying to the country to get a war started. I had almost lost my sense of perspective.

Nice redirection instead of addressing the comment - the vacation-to-blowjob "connection" you made is breathtaking.

Posted by: SFAW | Aug 10, 2005 10:24:58 AM

"Although how you connected him to this story, except perhaps ex post facto, is beyond me."

Why don't you follow your own advise and do some research. She has hooked up with Michael Moore since she changed her story.

I posted the quote, the date and to whom it was made(thanks to Michelle Malkin), you say it is out of context or not true but you provide no proof.

Par for a liberal. Kind of like NARAL's ad against Roberts or Democrats claiming God is on their side, you know the side of gay marriage and abortion.

Yeah, I think God is for abortion.

Posted by: Captain Toke | Aug 10, 2005 10:53:12 AM

the hard left, such as the NYT

ROTFLMAO!

Posted by: Too Kind By Half | Aug 10, 2005 11:03:52 AM

RW - Thanks so much for reminding us that lying about a blowjob is about 1000 times worse than lying to the country to get a war started.
Didn't say anything about lying (is the kneejerk talking point response that ingrained?). I simply noted the FACT that he was discussing the option of bombing Iraq -which he did, by the way, back when Democrats thought that was okay. Didn't you know that happened? It made a few papers, IIRC.
Nice redirection instead of addressing the comment - the vacation-to-blowjob "connection" you made is breathtaking.
The context was doing something else while negotiating options pertaining to military action. It was clearly stated.

Posted by: RW | Aug 10, 2005 11:39:37 AM

Toke -
http://www.thereporter.com/search/ci_2923921 for the full Vacaville article. An honest reading of the article (you should try that sometime) shows that the Malkin/Drudge screech is based on selective quoting.

"We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled," Cindy said. "The president has changed his reasons for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached." -- Doesn't sound a lot different from this week.

Re: Michael Moore: Moore's site posted the letter after it had already appeared on another site. Hardly seems like Sheehan had formed a relationship with Moore.

NARAL: the ad I saw made no mention of God, and it seems highly unlikely they would attempt to play that card. You have a source for that "information"?

Par for a conservative - make stuff up about their opposition, in order to trash them. Some call it "straw man", some call it smear, either way it's right wing from the get-go.

Posted by: SFAW | Aug 10, 2005 1:41:40 PM

RW -
I guess I see a difference between a five minute hummer (of course, that depends on how good she was) and a five-week vacation. And discussions of possibly bombing Iraq, although interesting, are not germane to the reality of the Bush/Rummy created war. (By the way, is the wingnut kneejerk raising of the infamous blowjob that ingrained?)

For what it's worth: I understand the concept of a working vacation, and don't necessarily have a problem with Bush taking a vacation. It's just that any "work" he does on his vacation does not appear to be productive. [8/6/01 PDB, for example]

On the other hand, your snark about "admiration for multi-tasking" showed a sense of humor, even if it's bullshit.

Posted by: SFAW | Aug 10, 2005 1:56:09 PM

"'I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,' Cindy said after their meeting. 'I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith.'

"'That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy said."

is the same as?

CINDY SHEEHAN, SON DIED IN IRAQ: "Because Joe Hagen, the deputy chief of staff said that I can tell you the president really cares. And I said you can't tell me that because I met with him and I know that he doesn't care. And I told them that I feel that my son didn't die for a noble cause."


Sounds like your anti war mother has a credibility problem.

As far as NARAL, I was citing the Donks latest cry of 'God is on our side', which of course means God supports abortions, as a lie similar to the one NARAL and CNN are trying to pull.

But you are smart, you knew that.

Posted by: Captain Toke | Aug 10, 2005 2:01:55 PM

"(By the way, is the wingnut kneejerk raising of the infamous blowjob that ingrained?)"
I was responding to someone else who brought what they thought Clinton would have done while they were replying to my earlier comment. It wasn't a stretch (their supposition was, my comment about what he did - sometimes - while discussing military strategy wasn't, IMO) and I really wasn't taking the conversation towards a bash-Clinton avenue, but rather taking the one of least resistance: that Presidents aren't always in the "war room" during times of supposed duress.

And I'll go further and agree that the five week working vacation is horrendous PR.

"On the other hand, your snark about "admiration for multi-tasking" showed a sense of humor, even if it's bullshit."
Many thanks.
I'm told that I'm quite full of both, on occasion. :)

Posted by: RW | Aug 10, 2005 2:31:05 PM

Love it. So, apparently now with Monica it's not about the sex or the lying--it's about the security risk. And it's being used to defend an administration that DELIBERATELY outed a CIA agent working on WMDs in order to get back at her husband. Who, incidentally, was telling the truth that the Administration didn't want people to know.

Heh, Bush even loses in the comparison here when it comes to work ethic--he goes on a 5-week vacation while Clinton's so chained to his desk that he doesn't even leave it to have an affair.

Posted by: theorajones | Aug 10, 2005 5:59:50 PM

Toke -
You implied she changed her tune and thus has no credibility. I pointed to specific evidence that her tune didn't change much, if at all. Sorry for confusing you with the facts.

It's also nice to see your sense of humor (although it's a somewhat different one from RW's), re: "gift of happiness" quote. I guess it's hard work to hold two contending-but-different concepts in your head at once. So, I'll make it easy on you: she was trying to make the best of a horrible situation, to salvage something from a time of grief. That doesn't mean she suddenly supported the war, or loved Bush.

You're also still not being especially clear on the "God on our side" thing. First it was NARAL, now it's the "Donks". I realize that winger SOP is to try to distract when someone calls bullshit, but you're not really very good at it yet. Pointer? Quote? (other than from Drudge/Maglalang/Drug-boy/Hannity/101st Fighting Keyboarders/generic winger)


RW -
FYI, the "calls bullshit" above does not refer to our discussion. At least you appear to have both oars in the water (even if you're paddling the wrong way).

Posted by: SFAW | Aug 10, 2005 6:30:17 PM

That's cool.
Besides, theorajones illustrated my "admiration/multi-tasking" point with his/her last sentence.

Posted by: RW | Aug 10, 2005 7:53:40 PM

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