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June 11, 2005

Where Is The Love?

Reviewing John Harris's The Survivor*, Alan Ehrahalt makes a point worth taking on :

Roosevelt made enormous and sometimes reckless changes in the American government and economy, and when his critics loathed him for it, he loathed them back. ''They are unanimous in their hate for me'' he said of them in his 1936 re-election campaign, ''and I welcome their hatred.'' Clinton, on the other hand, was a centrist who undertook no dramatic transformations of society or government and, what was more, showed himself to be an instinctive conciliator who believed in compromise almost to a fault.

Ehrahalt is comparing, here, the deep-seated hatred for Clinton with the only "recent" president loathed enough to be used as precedent -- and you have to go back 75 years to find one  Moreover, he's right.  In 1992, a Democrat who eschewed liberalism beat a Republican who violated conservatism.  Republicans should have been bouncing off the walls.  Not only did their ideological betrayor find defeat, thus serving as a head-on-pike example for future tax-raising Republicans, but the Democrat who did win was shifting the party right!  Once Clinton entered office, he failed on some minor thing (gays in the military), some big things (health care), and succeeded on a variety of conservative-friendly ventures (NAFTA, welfare reform, deficit reduction).  Nothing truly liberal squeezed through, the welfare state did not grow, the government, in fact, shrank, and the country was generally run from between the poles. 

So why, exactly, did the right hate Clinton with the fire of a thousand suns?  Boomer ethics has been the refrain, they hated his sexual appetite, his generational difference.  But what then of Newt Gingrich, also an eggheaded boomer who switched wives like they had a shelf date?  Hell, compared to him, Clinton's marriage was a picture of rock-solid stability.  Was it that Clinton was too good?  Too eloquent, too smart, too attractive, too successful? 

Maybe it was, I really don't know.  But the fact remains that what the right hated about Clinton was ineffable, unexplainable.  Democrats hate Bush for being warlike, smug, and duplicitous.  They hate that he calls for compassion and cuts Medicaid, that he calls for cooperation and governs as a bitter partisan, that he wants a humble foreign policy and makes us an international Zorro.  Bush hatred, fair or not, blooms from identifiable seeds.  But Clinton hatred?  It was straight partisanship begging for a rationale.  That's why, in the end, the right needed to search so hard and dig so deep for Whitewater, Paul Jones, Monica, Travelgate, and all the rest.  It's hard to hate without a reason, and all the reasons, at least until Monica, proved inadequate.  So they had to be cycled out.  You could only get so mad over Travelgate and Whitewater, so once that rage was spent, a new outrage had to be summoned, which first meant it had to be discovered. It was a hell of a way to spend eight years. 

Indeed, the American Spectator, which had 300,000 subscribers back in the day, is a mere shell of a magazine without Clinton.  They must be begging for another Democrat to enter office.  But that's why, contra the DLC and some others, I'm not hopeful that there's a Democrat somewhere who can bring the country together.  If Clinton, an instinctual compromiser with a deep-seated sympathy for Republicans and conservative ideas, couldn't escape a full-out assault, then it's not a question of the candidate, the war is really up to the army.  So Hillary, Warner, Schweitzer -- take your pick, the hatred really doesn't care who it's aimed at.

*Which, though I'm not terribly far in yet, is shaping up to be an excellent book.

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Comments

Sometimes I think the right hated Clinton simply because he wasn't a 'typical' liberal, was liked by the people (before Monicagate, and then again after), and stole their legislative programs. He was too slick (in the good sense), so they made him 'slick Willie' in the bad sense. He left no air for them to breathe, policy wise. There is, of course, more to the Clinton-hate than this.

There is a very large reservoir of unreasoning hate built up in parts of the society that shows in the manner of critiques and blusters. There must be many reasons for this, but one thing FDR and Clinton had in common was a malfunction in the economy that changed the basic personal security equation for lots of people: in FDR's case, lots of unemployed workers, and lots of very frustrated capitalists with no place to make money; in Clinton's case, lots of people being displaced by global economics plus major social change in the direction of minorities and sexual freedom.

Although he is far more deserving of hate on character and policy matters, in some ways the left reaction to Bush exhibits in some quarters a similar tendency. Blogs and chat rooms make it easy to anonomously vent these frustrations.

Take one issue: military service. Clinton being reviled on draft dodging versus Bush being pretty much given a pass on what appears to be AWOL and desertion. The media and public reaction to these was far, far different.

I think you are correct that no Democratic president can expect anything other than the treatment given Clinton. It may help to have a 'clean' candidate, but the policy reaction will be unrelenting hateful, misrepresented opposition. Makes me wonder why anyone would want that job post-Bush. Whoever gets it won't be having any honeymoons from the other side.

Posted by: JimPortlandOR | Jun 11, 2005 4:51:14 PM

Jonah Goldberg made a similar point -- about Clinton hatred being in spite of his conservative policies -- five years ago, here. When he explains why he hates Clinton, he doesn't even try to pretend it's based on anything except personal dislike. Pretty sad.

Posted by: M.A. | Jun 11, 2005 4:54:44 PM

This post is dazzling. Here is a shorter version:

Why do conservatives hate Clinton? I can't explain it - in fact, no one can explain it - but here is the explanation.

Oh, you don't believe someone could switch sides that quickly? Let me turn on my Creative Excerpter:

...I really don't know. But the fact remains that what the right hated about Clinton was ineffable, unexplainable.... But Clinton hatred? It was straight partisanship begging for a rationale.

Great theory. Of course, we have a helpful link to a Goldberg piece saying that he hates Clinton for being a smug, self-indulgent liar. Maybe Goldberg is a victim of false consciousness.

And this is priceless:

Was it that Clinton was too good? Too eloquent, too smart, too attractive, too successful?

Keep probing! It makes a nice counterpoint to my theory that Dems hate Bush because he is too folksy, too genuine, has too beautiful a wife, and is too successful a dad. (Also, he's too rich and athletic).

Posted by: TM | Jun 11, 2005 10:32:16 PM

Okay, Bush having "too beautiful a wife, and is too successful a dad" is definately a winner for the all time stretch in explaining "Bush hatred."

Back when I was in college I had the chance to talk with people who worked in the Clinton administation, some for all 8 years. Their consensus was that the Republican leadership, at the very least, was determined not to work with Clinton at all, mainly out of a sense that he was fundamentally "undeserving" of the presidency. While the empirical fig leaf for that would have been Clinton not winning an outright majority of the vote in 1992, and the attendant fiction that only Perot allowed him to win (newsflash--those voters were above all else anti-incumbent and would never have split cleanly enough to save Bush), the core feeling in the Clintonistas' minds was the GOP refused to accept the result as legitimate, combined with Newt Gingrich's very effective intransigence.

Meanwhile a lot of people resented Clinton as a social climber. They resent that he started from less then they did and now has so much more. In the process he bent rules and took advantages of opportunites not availible to others that fed a lot of the white male resentment. Look at how he got out of Vietnam--I'd bet the overwhelming majority of his critics would have taken his deferments if offered, but simply resent his having the opportunity. The same resentments extend to the pot and the women--he's the guy that could always get away with it, and that drives certain types of people insane.

Posted by: Mike in CO | Jun 11, 2005 11:05:43 PM

Meanwhile a lot of people resented Clinton as a social climber. They resent that he started from less then they did and now has so much more. In the process he bent rules and took advantages of opportunites not availible to others that fed a lot of the white male resentment. Look at how he got out of Vietnam--I'd bet the overwhelming majority of his critics would have taken his deferments if offered, but simply resent his having the opportunity. The same resentments extend to the pot and the women--he's the guy that could always get away with it, and that drives certain types of people insane.

Tack onto that the Kool Kids' perception of Clinton as Carter v2 and intrasignance at his refusal to play by their rules, and you have the makings for eight ugly years inside the Beltway.

Posted by: Doug | Jun 12, 2005 1:37:11 AM

I didn't hate Clinton until he turned out to be a liar. That is what was mostly hated. He was not honest. If he was dishonest enough to lie in court and wag his finger at every American and lie to their faces.....what else did he lie about? That is what kept resonating....

Posted by: Robert Zimmerman | Jun 12, 2005 8:54:53 AM

Meanwhile a lot of people resented Clinton as a social climber. They resent that he started from less then they did and now has so much more. In the process he bent rules and took advantages of opportunites not availible to others that fed a lot of the white male resentment.

This is close, but a little off the mark. It's not so much that he took advantage of opportunities that weren't available to others, because that's true of most politicians who grew up privileged (I'd say Bush, but he's not terribly unusual -- most people who grew up in the class that opens doors in politics get breaks like the ones Bush got.)

I think the irrational component of Clinton-hatred is all about class. No one gets viscerally excited about rich people getting away with stuff, everyone knows that's how the world works.

Looking at a kid who grew up poor, with an abusive drunk for a stepfather, pull himself up to be a Rhodes scholar, Yale lawyer, and president, on the other hand, sets off a lot of people. Richer people are threatened (remember that line about why the Washington establishment resented him: "He came in and trashed the place and it wasn't his place.") Poorer people feel ripped off and resentful as well, Poor people don't look at Bush and want the life he had, because it's obvious that not everyone can be born to a combination of New England aristocracy and oil money: his life is just out of reach. Clinton, on the other hand -- if he can have the life he did, coming from the background he did, then they should have been able to do the same: where's theirs?

Not everyone reacts the same way, but for those people who hate Clinton irrationally, class has to be a huge part of it.

Posted by: LizardBreath | Jun 12, 2005 10:52:06 AM

Dear Robert:

I have heard that one from many people. I'm amazed that they can so honestly and fervently believe it to be true. Particularly when the comparison is subsequently made between Clinton and Bush II.

Not trying to be snarky -- it's just breathtaking to me, is all.

Posted by: KenL | Jun 12, 2005 1:12:47 PM

They hated him for the same reason they hated Kerry, Gore, Dean, et al. They hate them because they have to. They don't win on domestic issues, and they (especially under Clinton) couldn't use security as an issue, so they had to use personal dislike. All you get on talk radio and in republican talking points is the same thing over and over...these are bad people, you should not like them. The politics don't matter.

Posted by: JoeF | Jun 12, 2005 3:19:56 PM

i agree with lizard breath. there are a lot of rednecks out my way, of blue (working class) or white (lower middle class) collar, who are just looking for a fight or something to hate.

they look at clinton and think to themselves, "think you're better'n me?"

yeh, they say "better'n" for "better than."

i hate these people. they could all die tomorrow and i'd be happy.

it's the same lower-middle-class mentality -- self-pitying, resentful -- that richard nixon and george wallace embodied and spread.

Posted by: harry near indy | Jun 13, 2005 7:03:44 AM

I have heard that one from many people. I'm amazed that they can so honestly and fervently believe it to be true. Particularly when the comparison is subsequently made between Clinton and Bush II.

The difference is that Clinton looked at the camera and wagged his finger. I believed him. Then he recanted and admitted lying. Then he was found to be lying to the court which he paid a hefty fine.


Posted by: Robert Zimmerman | Jun 13, 2005 2:30:43 PM

OK, Robert, that accounts for hatred in 1998 and thereafter. What accounts for the hatred prior to that lie?

Not being snarky. I'm genuinely curious as to what you think.

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