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June 07, 2005

Form 180

Oh happy day, particularly if you're one of the many right wingers who've spent the last few months screeching for Kerry to release his full Navy records.  Finally, on this glorious Tuesday morning, they arrived.  And just as you suspected, the forms are packed with dirt.  They offer definitive, final proof that the SwiftVets were a bunch of liars.

The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe, are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president, including numerous commendations from commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service.

The lack of any substantive new material about Kerry's military career in the documents raises the question of why Kerry refused for so long to waive privacy restrictions. An earlier release of the full record might have helped his campaign because it contains a number of reports lauding his service. Indeed, one of the first actions of the group that came to be known as Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was to call on Kerry to sign a privacy waiver and release all of his military and medical records.

But Kerry refused, even though it turned out that the records included commendations from some of the same veterans who were criticizing him.

Huh.  So why did he refuse?

Kerry said in a written response: ''The call for me to sign a 180 form came from the same partisan operatives who were lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie. I felt strongly that we shouldn't kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out."

You'd think that lesson would've been learned after Whitewater.  In any case, I fully expect that Kerry's critics will apologize for the lies, slanders, and innuendo they've heaped onto the missing forms.  I fully expect them to wear sack cloth and smear themselves in ashes as they ask repentance for what they had no right to demand.  I won't, however, be holding my breath.

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I fully expect them to find something that doesn't exactly match what Kerry has said in the past and proclaim that they were right.

Or else, just make something up.

Posted by: John M. | Jun 7, 2005 11:14:42 AM

Guys, didn't you already hear? They buried the lead...Kerry got the same grades as Bush--THATs the bigger story.
Ezra, I too won't be holding my breath for apologies. After all, supporting the troops doesn't really mean supporting all the troops. It just means supporting the ones that support the war and the President.

Posted by: Katinula | Jun 7, 2005 11:37:29 AM

God, that man was blind. "...lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie."

Uhh, John, they were lying about your record on the so-called liberal media too. The media was NOT discrediting them.

And the Globe shows equal stupidity (or more likely disingenuousness) in saying "...the full record might have helped his campaign because it contains a number of reports lauding his service."

That's idiotic, because the fact that Kerry's record reflected praise for service and bravery was KNOWN AT THE TIME and was also quite widely ignored in both the 'right wing' and 'liberal' media, in favor of repeating, just one more time, the bullshit allegations of the SBVT.

What really might've 'helped his campaign?' Oh, just a little thing called reporting.

Posted by: Please, Please Me | Jun 7, 2005 11:38:14 AM

I don't see why anyone should apologize for asking Kerry to do what his opponent did and that was to disclose his military record....especially since he made it a cornerstone of his campaign.

Posted by: Robert Zimmerman | Jun 7, 2005 11:40:54 AM

Still not good enough for you RZ?

Posted by: TJ | Jun 7, 2005 12:19:30 PM

They're just gonna make it about the grades.

Posted by: Jeff | Jun 7, 2005 12:36:57 PM

Man,

Kerry botched that whole SBVT situation big time. Hard to know what would have neutralized it though. What we do know is that what he did was woefully ineffective.

I honestly think that Kerry should have apologized to those a-holes. I full well know it would be a bitter pill to swallow, but he could have said that his post service comments were well intentioned (he wanted to see the war ended), but not precise enough (made it seem like he was maligning the troops).

Reach out to these men and say that they served honorably, and if he inadvertantly implied otherwise, he made a terrible mistake.

Shit like that.

Could he have convinced them to give up a thirty year hatred? Maybe not. Still, if I worked for Kerry, I would have pitched the idea of approaching them with some kind of olive branch. Counting on today's media to do the right thing, or today's voter to think straight was a very foolish idea indeed.

Posted by: Neil Paul | Jun 7, 2005 12:38:14 PM

I still think not immediately releasing these documents was a bad decision. A) Bad grades probably would have helped Kerry's image. B) No one could ever tell Bush to release all his records since Kerry hadn't done it himself. C) When someone smears you, you lay yourself bare, conceal nothing, and then you fire back with some smears of your own.

Not releasing documents only assures that you will be playing defense for as long as the documents stay concealed.

Posted by: Horatio | Jun 7, 2005 12:40:12 PM

Note: We have not see the documents, just a story about them. I tried to Email a suggestion the the Globe post them with a statement by the Governmetn that they are complete, but their Email system is "broken" so at this point the "righties" can still say that we have not seen the 180 results.

Darn-it.

Posted by: Mike Liveright | Jun 7, 2005 1:01:05 PM

Still not good enough for you RZ?

Yes, it's plenty good enough, thanks, TJ. Just a dollar too late and a dime short. He should have done this when he was running for office. It seems that many posters agree as well.

Posted by: Robert Zimmerman | Jun 7, 2005 1:22:52 PM

Kerry should not have said he would sign the form, then stalled on it. That's the lesson. Rather, he should have made the case that signing the form would set a terrible precedent, making it less likely that talented, ambitious young people would choose the military (or vice versa, that people who served with distinction in the military will choose politics).

Now, anyone who is considering politics as a career would be a fool to join the military, seeing what that route got John McCain, Al Gore, Bob Kerrey, and John Kerry. Sowing wild oats, or whatever Bush was doing, seems in hindsight to have been the smart thing to do.

Posted by: kth | Jun 7, 2005 2:22:44 PM

Tactics, RZ, are a different sort of beast than what you're making them out to be. "He should have" =/= "I suspect him because the Swift Boat Vets for Bush have said nasty things"

Posted by: TJ | Jun 7, 2005 2:29:21 PM

Yep, the media are just turning this story into "hey, they almost had the same grades in school! Kerry was only slightly better, not alot!" CNN ran this blurb several times this morning, without ever once actually saying what the grades were or what the curriculums were.

Posted by: sprocket | Jun 7, 2005 3:18:58 PM

RZ - Since when did Bush disclose his entire record? His record has missing paperwork all over - still. Of especial interest to the desertion accusers would be the still missing DD214.

Posted by: Geeno | Jun 7, 2005 4:55:09 PM

IIRC, Kerry's image leading up to November 2nd was one of a flip-flopper and having something to hide. Well, if what he had to hide was a few horrid grades from Freshman year, something I have experience with mind you that did indeed taint my final GPA, he should have released the records.

The only reason I can think of is that the campaign advisors were trying to play up the Kerry is a smarter man than Bush angle, which would have been caught by the spin clearly as it is know. Yet, wasn't it the Kerry is an elite and not like the common man angle that also hurt him? I think Shrum (or whoever) made a mistake.

Posted by: Adrock | Jun 7, 2005 5:36:42 PM

It is my understanding that Mr. Bush has not refused to sign any document that would release any information...

Posted by: Robert Zimmerman | Jun 8, 2005 3:16:43 PM

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