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May 25, 2005
At Long Last Sir -- Have You No Zingers?
A few days ago I flagged an American Prospect article by Geoffrey Nunberg for its excellent description of the ideologically conservative/operatively liberal divide. Now I want to highlight a different part:
Republicans will try to pin a big-government label on the Democrats, but the appropriate response to that is not to apologize for government, as some liberals have recently done, but rather to call the Republicans' bluff. Kerry just once might have responded to Bush's charge that he was a big-government liberal not just by denying that his health-care plan was a government takeover but by bearding Bush on his government-bashing. "Just which government programs are too big?" he might have said. "What should we do away with? Social Security? Medicare? The Food and Drug Administration? The Securities and Exchange Commission? The Environmental Protection Agency?"
This sort of thing is genuinely confusing to me. Why aren't debates filled with more lines like this? After all, it wasn't impossible to predict that Bush would tag Kerry with the "big government" label-maker, nor was it particularly hard to foresee Massachusetts pejoratively entering the discussion. Meanwhile, Kerry has weeks to prepare for all this, can call on the best writers, speakers, and political thinkers in the business, and ends up with no defining moments (save maybe "global test"). That's his own fault. According to the Newsweek election retrospective, Kerry specifically directed his debate prep team to stay away from zingers. He didn't want any, he said.
But it's not just him, their seems to be a real unwillingness to go for the throat in presidential debates. Of the famous lines in the last decades, we've got Reagan's dismissive "There you go again" and Lloyd Bentson's putdown of Dan Quayle ("You, sir, are no Jack Kennedy"), they're both schoolyard comebacks, not West Wing closers. You'd think, after months on the campaign trail, that the combatants would know they needed some sound bites rather than just a solid performance. So why don't they call up Aaron Sorkin, or indeed Geoffrey Nunberg, and commission a few? Why don't they go in for the kill?
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"According to the Newsweek election retrospective, Kerry specifically directed his debate prep team to stay away from zingers. He didn't want any, he said."
Are you trying to make me light myself on fire, Ezra? I can't handle finding out shit like that. Have you learned nothing from 'Newsweek"? It's irresponsible to relay info like that...people might get hurt.
[remove tongue from cheek] WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MATTER WITH KERRY!!!???? AAARRGGHHH!!!!!!! Jesus. what the fuck? I thought Kerry was supposed to be the great "closer," the guy who would turn it on down the stretch. Instead, he deliberately dialed it down. Fuck him. I hate that guy.
Posted by: Mr Furious | May 25, 2005 11:57:32 AM
nor was it particularly hard to foresee Massachusetts pejoratively entering the discussion...
This pissed me off to no end. He really should have turned around when Bush said "Massachusetts" like it's some slur and said "Look. If it weren't for a bunch of guys in Massachusetts, we'd all be playing drinking tea and playing cricket. More soldiers from Massachusetts have died in Iraq than from Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, the Dakotas, and Nebraska combined. Our state and local tax rates are lower than Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama, and half the Rocky Mountain West. If you want to call the people rooting for the Red Sox liberals like there some sort of space alien, that's your right, but I say you're wrong, and I live there".
The notion that New England is somehow "less American" than places that have seceded from the nation drives me up the wall. And I'm from the South.
Posted by: Electoral Math | May 25, 2005 12:15:18 PM
Ok, I actually don't mind Kerry's debate performance. Remember at the context at that time, he did better than anyone expected, particularly in the 1st debate.
The only time he didn't do win the debate spin was the silly Mary Cheney "outing of someone who actually had previously publicly outed themselves" debate, which was merely a matter of some in the right-wing diverting attention from the potentially extremely damaging Bush OBL gaffe in the third debate with a false issue (and, boy, haven't we seen a lot of that).
Guys, there was a LOT wrong with John Kerry as a candidate and the campaign generally. The debates, in retrospect, should be the least worthy subject of our recriminations.
Posted by: Chris Rasmussen | May 25, 2005 12:19:03 PM
Yeah. I should say, he did a good job. But especially in the third debate, when it was all massachusetts liberal all the time, you gotta stand up and defend the honor of your home state.
Posted by: Electoral Math | May 25, 2005 12:19:44 PM
Right -- my point isn't Kerry in the debates, but the lack of zingers in debates. Kerry did a very good job, but why don't people reach for these defining sound bites? They're clearly out there, they'd clearly affect impressions, they'd clearly be memorable -- it's just odd.
Posted by: Ezra | May 25, 2005 12:28:21 PM
Ezra, it is really simple: Dems don't do 'attack dog' well (since FDR and Harry Truman, anyway).
We are simply are nice people - too nice for current American politics, IMO.
The trick in delivery is to appear spontaneous and connected with the average person's experience and thoughts. To pull this off, you have to believe what you are saying and make it seem genuine. Kerry just wasn't able to surmount this hurdle - maybe why he avoided the zingers.
As you've pointed out previously, FDR was really good at this. Maybe candidates should be required to do a quick study of FDR's speeches and press get-togethers. A master of the art.
Posted by: JimPortlandOR | May 25, 2005 1:01:24 PM
Here's the thing: I think you are right concerning John Kerry and his campaign's complete lack of understanding concerning news marketing (oh, like I know, I'm just a commenter): sound-bites, quick one-liners designed to get attention, demagougery on cable shows (one thing I would have recommended: mention Saudi Arabia frequently, make it a campaign issue -- not in a Michael Moore way but more of an "oil dependence on a theocracy way -- and watch it light up cable news programs for a couple of days, even the ones who oppose you).
They didn't convey their message well or very precisely outside of the debates. In fact, I would argue the closest John Kerry did that was the 1st debate, zingers or no. My complaint really started with the convention speech: does anyone remember a damn thing about it except the stupid saluting stunt?
Posted by: Chris Rasmussen | May 25, 2005 1:13:23 PM
I think Kerry's goal in the debates was to appear "Presidential". And, actually, he did a really good job of that -- especially when he could stand next to and be immediately compared with Bush's smirks and near-meltdowns. In fact, if I'm correctly analyzing Kerry's tactics at the debates, he seems to have ruthlessly subordinated everything else, including zingers, to the goal of appearing "Presidential" , which is a piece of rigorous self-discipline that election post-mortems have not give Kerry enough (or any!) credit for and that almost pulled out the election for him.
That's why JimPortlandOR's suggestion of studying FDR is such a good one: to appear "Presidential" while still getting off zingers would be overwhelming!
Posted by: Civil-Rights Lawyer | May 25, 2005 2:02:39 PM
If I ever run for President I will hire Aaron Sorkin to write all of my speeches and comments. The man has a political and rhetorical genius unlike almost any of his time. Oh, and he can write non-political things really well too (see "Sports Night").
Posted by: Chris Woods | May 25, 2005 2:52:41 PM
Electoral Math,
I've got a question about the best way to approach the Massachusetts or Northern issue. I'm from MA, and I live there now. (My family were all Republicans. One uncle still is as a Fox watching greedy bastard. Mostly it was a response to the corrupt Democratic machine, but I digress.)
I've lived in Maine, California and D.C. too. The line I would be sorely tempted to go with would be "Look Massachusetts fought for this nation in the Revolution (Kerry tried that--and there are a ton of monuments about 86 year old geezers rising from a wound and slaying 30 British redcoats--again another digression) and we fought for this nation by defending the Union when the South were a bunch of traitors.
Somehow I don't think we win the South by calling them unpatriotic and treasonous. What's the right way to approach this then?
Posted by: Abby | May 25, 2005 3:13:17 PM
Abby:
Wouldn't there be then a number of "Minutemen for Truth" advertisements with ominous music?
Just asking.
Posted by: Chris Rasmussen | May 25, 2005 3:33:49 PM
Zingers are a form of defense that convey you can think quickly (even if they are pre-written) and that you will stand up for your principles. It also forces your opponent to try for a comeback and if they are as defensless as Bush then you don't really have to worry about it. As for them not being "presidential" does anything our current president does appear "presidential"? Kerry could have shot out Sam Kinison one liners for a week and still looked more like an adult than Bush. Looking like a president only impresses a few Beltway insiders.
Posted by: Col Bat Guano | May 25, 2005 4:37:53 PM
Chris,
It's very likely.
Posted by: Abby | May 25, 2005 5:14:56 PM
I dunno, I think E-Math nailed it.
Posted by: TJ | May 25, 2005 6:23:47 PM
Damn. Sounds like Chris Rock should run. Or that Scotsman that just stirred things up so wonderfully. He who sits on his dignity may still get it in the ass. Comics do one-liners. There must be how many out of work ?
Posted by: opit | May 26, 2005 12:01:42 AM
This may be too late to be read by anyone, but James Fallows of the Atlantic Monthly wrote cogent previews before the presidential debates in both 2000 and 2004. The link for 2000 is below, '04 may be behind a content wall. He surveys and critiques the past performances of Gore, Bush and Kerry (and Bill Bradley) in detail and his predictions are a bit eerie. They'd both be worth getting from a library if one's interested in this and there anyway.
As for zingers, the best prep would have to come from watching the British house of commons. Blair's pretty masterful, although now there's little wit and a lot more hectoring and counter-hectoring.
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/07/fallows.htm
Posted by: Mike in CO | May 26, 2005 2:41:48 AM
The problem is that we keep nominating people who are ashamed to be liberals. You don't fight for what you don't think is passionately correct.
I mean, that's why we nominated Kerry instead of Dean. We figured a country that elected Bush wasn't ready to deal with someone who had and expressed liberal convictions.
Posted by: Kimmitt | May 26, 2005 5:28:10 AM
Abby,
Yeah, I would just not bring up the whole Civil War thing. Stick to Paul Revere, the Boston Tea Party, stuff like that. And the fact that Massachusetts has low taxes now. And talk about how rooting for the Red Sox is totally all-American.
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